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Post by DoubleDipper on Fri May 22, 2020 11:41 am

Dean Murdoch wrote:...,obviously the scholarship situation is puzzling.
Not anymore!

Josh Phillips is transferring.

My guess is he'll end up at a D2 school...
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Post by up7587 on Fri May 22, 2020 12:36 pm

DoubleDipper wrote:
Dean Murdoch wrote:...,obviously the scholarship situation is puzzling.
Not anymore!

Josh Phillips is transferring.

My guess is he'll end up at a D2 school...

Good luck to Josh. Wasn't able to contribute significantly in his time as a Pilot. Hope he does better in a new situation.

And we still need a big man.
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Post by StudentPilot on Fri May 22, 2020 1:19 pm

I knew Josh briefly, and evidently he was coachable because I think he was around 215 when he arrived at UP and Coach TP said he needed to put on some weight to compete.  I was told by one of his teammates he'd gotten up to around 260 this past season.

If he found another D1 school, would he have to sit another year after redshirting this past season?
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Post by DoubleDipper on Sat May 23, 2020 12:09 am

StudentPilot wrote:I knew Josh briefly, and evidently he was coachable because I think he was around 215 when he arrived at UP and Coach TP said he needed to put on some weight to compete.  I was told by one of his teammates he'd gotten up to around 260 this past season.
If you look at his high school picture that you posted back in 2017, he was about 190 pounds, but almost 18 months later when he got to UP he was close to 220, and this past season he had definitely gotten heavier, but when I last saw him in early March I don’t think he was much over 250... Rolling Eyes  
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Dinos Trigonas wrote: Portland has offered 6-8 2018 Josh Phillips (Edison/Huntington Beach CA)
National Prep Hoops wrote: @Josh2Phillips this kid is one of the West Coast best kept secrets! Portland has officially offered , congrats  
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Post by Geezaldinho on Sat May 23, 2020 9:02 am

StudentPilot wrote:

If he found another D1 school, would he have to sit another year after redshirting this past season?

Here is the rule from ncaa.org.

Ncaa.org wrote: One-time transfer exception: If you transfer from a four-year school, you may be immediately eligible to compete at your new school if you meet ALL the following conditions:

You are transferring to a Division II or III school, or you are transferring to a Division I school in any sport other than baseball, men's or women's basketball, football (Football Bowl Subdivision) or men’s ice hockey. If you are transferring to a Division I school for any of the previously-listed sports, you may be eligible to compete immediately if you were not recruited by your original school and you have never received an athletics scholarship.
You are academically and athletically eligible at your previous four-year school.
You receive a transfer-release agreement from your previous four-year school.
Waiver: An action that sets aside an NCAA rule because a specific, extraordinary circumstance prevents you from meeting the rule. An NCAA school may file a waiver on your behalf; you cannot file a waiver for yourself. The school does not administer the waiver, the conference office or NCAA does.
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Post by DoubleDipper on Sat May 23, 2020 10:27 am

up7587 wrote:And we still need a big man.
It now seems obvious the coaching staff has another plan…go small!

And it also seems obvious that the player they are attempting to sign is an experienced point guard who they expect to be their floor general to run the team for what will presumably be the last season for the current UP coaching staff...unless there’s a major turn-around.

Not to go negative here, but it also seems obvious the staff has consistently lost their targeted JUCO or grad-transfer point guard targets to other schools...so far. Evil or Very Mad

But on a positive note, there are one or two experienced quality point guards still waiting to find a school.
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Post by StudentPilot on Sat May 23, 2020 11:27 am

Geezaldinho wrote:
StudentPilot wrote:If he found another D1 school, would he have to sit another year after redshirting this past season?
Here is the rule from ncaa.org.
Ncaa.org wrote: One-time transfer exception: If you transfer from a four-year school, you may be immediately eligible to compete at your new school if you meet ALL the following conditions:
Ah, okay...so I guess Josh may or may not have to sit a year, it just depends... scratch
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Post by Geezaldinho on Sat May 23, 2020 11:34 am

StudentPilot wrote:
Ah, okay...so I guess Josh may or may not have to sit a year, it just depends... scratch

Only if his grades suck, I think.

I can’t think of a single case where UP has failed to grant a waiver, even for transfers within Conference. That’s a policy formed in Waldschmidt, not the Chiles center executive suites.
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Post by DoubleDipper on Tue May 26, 2020 9:11 am

StudentPilot wrote:Ah, okay...so I guess Josh may or may not have to sit a year, it just depends... scratch
In Josh’s case, he’s technically required to put in a year of residency at a new D1 school before he can begin playing…even though he redshirted his final year with the Pilots.

However, as stated, his new school could ask for a waiver to that requirement, and as UP appears to be welcoming his departure because it opens a scholarship to sign a guard, I don’t think there’s any doubt UP would agree to the waiver request…which would then be acted upon by the NCAA.

It was stated there is some precedence for UP granting waivers in the past:
Geezaldinho wrote:I can’t think of a single case where UP has failed to grant a waiver, even for transfers within Conference. That’s a policy formed in Waldschmidt, not the Chiles center executive suites.
But I can't recall any cases where a Pilot MBB player transferred within the WCC nor can I think of any Pilot MBB player who was granted waivers to play immediately.

It was certainly not the case for Tim Frost who transferred to Utah in 2001, for the five players who transferred to PSU: Jeremiah Dominguez, Alex Tiefenthaler, Jamie Jones, Tim Green, and Dorian Cason, or even Marcus Lewis who transferred to Oral Roberts and B.J. Porter who ended up at Weber St., or Colin Russell who transferred to UC Davis, all during the Reveno era.

And it was not the case for Jazz Johnson to Nevada, Joseph Smoyer to Columbia, or Marcus Shaver to Boise St., nor is it the case for Jacob Tryon to New Mexico St. and Theo Akwuba to Louisiana this year, as there was/is no basis for a waiver.

All had to sit a year or will have to sit a year before playing for their new school. (Hugh Hogland and Malcolm Porter are grad-transfers, they do not need a waiver to play immediately at UC Davis and Northern Arizona.)

Scholarships are technically year-to-year, and It would seem germane to the waiver request to know whether Josh on his own entered the transfer portal, or if UP pushed him there.  I this case I believe it was mutual as it opens a scholarship, but Josh is apparently also having some family issues.  

If he were to ask me, I would recommend a JUCO year in California to provide him some actual playing time to get in basketball condition, and then look to return to D1 without the need to sit a year…much like Chier Maker did before finishing his last two years at Idaho St.
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Post by StudentPilot on Tue May 26, 2020 6:33 pm

Thanks for the explanation...I must admit I felt as though I needed a law degree to understand the NCAA rules on transferring.

From the little I know from one of his teammates, Josh needs to go the JUCO route or drop to a D2 school.

I remember that both Gabe Taylor and Jason Todd went to a D2 school, Cal Baptist (now a D1), but I think that was just so they would not have to sit a year and would still be able graduate on time after both realized they did not want to play for Porter.

Didn't Xavier Hallinan also transfer to a D2 school after having to sit a year at UP because he quickly found his transfer to Cal State Dominguez Hills was a mistake and he returned to Portland?
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Post by DoubleDipper on Thu May 28, 2020 2:06 pm

So far, it has worked pretty well for MBB not having in-person recruiting, and apparently that's the way it's going to stay for a while longer.

Both the men's and women's basketball teams have one open scholarship, and I'm quite sure both teams are looking for a transfer, but I get the impression the women are willing to carry-over their scholarship to 2021 if they need to.

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Post by DoubleDipper Today at 12:06 am

During these difficult times in America and throughout the world, it just seemed another highlight tape of Zac Triplett was in order to make us feel slightly better about the future...

Gotta hope Zac and all the Australian student-athletes are allowed out of their country in time for the expected beginning of their college classes

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Post by DoubleDipper Today at 10:36 am

Courtside Kev wrote:I always enjoyed the band director that wore the purple hair that would dance around when the music started playing.

Sadly, one season I showed up and he was no longer there. I asked somebody about him and they said that he had passed away from an illness. I miss the heck out of that guy and oftentimes find myself looking over that way to reminisce.
June 2, 2008…Dr. C passed away.

Because Courtside Kev has renewed our interest in Dr. C., I thought it appropriate that we remember him approaching the anniversary of his passing 12 years ago by bringing back his original thread.
https://www.pilotnation.net/t936-in-memory-of-dr-c?highlight=memorial

It is too bad that the pictures and links from the thread have disappeared over the years, and apparently he was never inducted into the UP Hall of Fame…an oversight that, with the right application of words on a nomination, should be corrected.  

I don’t think it’s too late, as Buzz Stroud, who knew Dr. C well, and is now retired from the Athletic Department, still runs the HOF Committee proceedings.

Here’s the link to make that nomination:
https://portlandpilots.com/sb_output.aspx?form=19&path=general
PilotNut wrote:I am not sure if everyone knows that Dr. C wrote the music for the UP fight song, while Fr. Oddo wrote the lyrics; sadly, both have now left us.
Few of us know all the words to the UP Victory March produced in 1984, except perhaps V-I-C-T-O-R-Y. and as PilotNut stated, the lyrics were written by former UP President Fr. Tom Oddo, who was tragically killed in a car crash 30 years ago, and the familiar music was written by Dr. C...

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Post by Dean Murdoch Today at 10:56 am

So my parents made the trip down to visit a few times while I was at UP. They made it a point to come down to three or four soccer games because they wanted to see Christine Sinclair play.

But what my mom remembers most about her visits is the one basketball game they went to. Not because it was a great game - and it was, the Pilots ended up losing by a point to a SMC team that went on to the NCAA tournament - but because of Dr. C's antics. Years later, she still brings up the "band guy with the purple hair" and how much of a kick she got out of him.

I wonder how many people out there are like my mom - knowledge of any college sports close to nil, but left with a positive impression of UP and the Pilots regardless because of how much fun and energy Dr. C brought to the Chiles Center. I think he'd be a very worthy nominee of UP HOF honors.
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Post by Courtside Kev Today at 7:54 pm

Thank you for posting this DD. He definitely belongs in the UP HOF.

Happy Birthday Dr. C! THANK YOU for the memories!

My gift to him will be random postings of 8x10's in random places at random games throughout the season.


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Post by Geezaldinho Today at 8:20 pm

DoubleDipper wrote:During these difficult times in America and throughout the world, it just seemed another highlight tape of Zac Triplett was in order to make us feel slightly better about the future...

Gotta hope Zac and all the Australian student-athletes are allowed out of their country in time for the expected beginning of their college classes


Looks like HS kids in Australia don’t play defense either.
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