Re: Oregon State Match

by Stonehouse Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:03 pm

Well... I'm pretty sure the rule in high school is that if a clock is available then you use it. Otherwise it's a ref's watch.

I'm pretty sure every level of college uses a clock.

Not really sure why that's the case though. I assume it's for reasons of "fairness" - personally I never really liked the fluid timing of soccer. I know a lot of people do, but I dislike it when refs let plays come to a natural conclusion even after time has expired. I've seen enough games where a team scores to tie/go ahead and then the final whistle blows right after the kick off. I hate that. In football you don't just let a team finish a drive because they have the ball and in basketball you don't let a team finish out a posession... I don't know... maybe it's just me, but I prefer the NCAA system of keeping time to the international.

by SoreKnees Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:17 pm

In high school soccer, the stadium clock is official, if there is one. If not, the referee keeps the time. However, there is a fundamental difference between HS/college and FIFA. In the former, the clock stops for injuries, goals, misconduct, and penalties and when it runs out, the half is over. Under FIFA/USSF laws, the clock runs on and the referee adds stoppage at his/her discretion.

The relevant section of the FIFA laws is in Law 7, where it says:

"Allowance is made in either period for all time lost through: substitution, assessment of injury to players, removal of injured players from the field of play for treatment, wasting time, any other cause. The allowance for time lost is at the discretion of the referee."

If you read this too literally, you could argue that a referee can add on time for "any other cause." Gives the ref a lot of power! Twisted Evil

by **PilotNut** Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:23 pm

Agreed, I prefer the scoreboard clock. I dont like the vague stoppage time concept.

I understand that a lot of fields dont have a scoreboard clock (particularly at the HS level and below)... But the professional leagues could easily convert...

by eProf Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:32 pm

Stonehouse wrote:In football you don't just let a team finish a drive because they have the ball and in basketball you don't let a team finish out a posession...

But in football, a team gets to finish the current play. Shannon being on a breakaway and the clock expiring just before she was able to shoot would be analogous to Randy Moss catching a sure TD pass only to have the clock expire when he's at the 10 yard line.

by **DaTruRochin** Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:47 pm

I personally get driven up the wall with the "5...4.....3....2......1" countdown in college soccer... It just strikes me as odd, I never had a "countdown" clock in any of my youth or HS games, I'm not sure where the NCAA gets the gall that they needed to change the rules of the game...

Side note, because of the rules differences, reffing college games doesn't go toward the officials quota of games as they progress up the ranks... Haha aka they don't count in that ultimate quest to earn the prestigious white badge on your chest....

by Geezaldinho Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:19 pm

that was The issue Petruchelli had last year with the ref that lead to his red card. The ref had a white badge and added time to the clock.

While the NCAA rules say the ref has control of the clock, they specifically state two 45 minute halves. The only exception permitted is for a penalty kick.

7.1 Length of Game
The duration of the game shall be two periods of 45 minutes. For live
telecasts, a timeout that may not exceed two minutes in length may be taken
after the 23rd minute of each half before a throw-in near the halfway line of
the field or before a goal kick. (see Rule 10.11)
The following procedures shall be used when a game is tied after the
regulation 90 minutes.
Note: Play shall be extended beyond the expiration of any period, in regulation
time or overtime, to permit a penalty kick to be taken.
7.1.1 For regular season games, two sudden-victory overtime periods of 10
minutes each shall be played. A coin toss called by the visiting team will
determine choice of ends of the field or the kickoff before the start of
the first sudden-victory overtime period. Teams shall change ends of the
field to start the second sudden-victory overtime period. If the score still
is tied at the end of the second sudden-victory overtime period, the game
will remain a tie for all purposes.

A.R. 7.1.1.a. A penalty kick is awarded, but before the clock is stopped the
signal sounds denoting the end of the game. RULING: The clock shall be
adjusted to the time when the penalty kick was awarded. Play shall be extended,
if necessary, beyond the expiration of time until the penalty kick is completed.
A.R. 7.1.1.b. If a game is tied in regulation, may a coach, bench personnel
or referee rule that if a game is tied in regulation, the game will not go into
overtime? RULING: Illegal. The game shall be played according to the rules
of conduct. Conduct rules shall not be changed by mutual consent. All NCAA
member institutions are required to conduct their intercollegiate contests
according to these rules.

There are slightly different procedures for post-season play, but in no case is adding time permitted under the rules of conduct.

I believe that is why he had his red card rescinded.

by PurplePrideTrumpet Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:18 pm

DaTruRochin wrote:I personally get driven up the wall with the "5...4.....3....2......1" countdown in college soccer... It just strikes me as odd, I never had a "countdown" clock in any of my youth or HS games, I'm not sure where the NCAA gets the gall that they needed to change the rules of the game...

Side note, because of the rules differences, reffing college games doesn't go toward the officials quota of games as they progress up the ranks... Haha aka they don't count in that ultimate quest to earn the prestigious white badge on your chest....

And in the USL, they don't care what badge you have on your shirt. They'll take anybody (or so it seems). rimshot

The NCAA and NFHS (high school) have their own rules partly because they can write their own rulebook and make it "their" game. Another place you can really see these differences is high school baseball versus college, pro, or even many youth leagues.

by SoreKnees Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:02 am

The countdown is also recommended in high school, but I've rarely heard it used. It is to help the referee anticipate the horn in case the ball enters the goal just before or after the period expires.

For the record, the center referee in the Washington State v. Texas playoff game that was discussed above is not a FIFA ref. He is a local official who is a likely candidate to become a "national referee" in the near future. That is the step below the hallowed FIFA status.

by **DaTruRochin** Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:49 am

Odds are it probably wasn't. There are only 16 recognized men's FIFA officials in the whole of the US, and only 6 of which are certified as center refs (and only 4 of those have international experience). It's a pretty gosh darn exclusive club to belong to, Germany, Spain and Brazil all have the most with 20 each, but its a pretty interesting list ( http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/developing/refereeing/men.html )

Here's a look at an official with a full FIFA certification, notice that the linesman's badge says "Assistant Referee", while the center just says "Referee"
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It should also be noted that the US has 6 FIFA certified female officials, but they aren't allowed to cover men's games... Haha remember, the rest of the world doesn't have title XI and Stepp Blatter isn't exactly a shining beacon of gender equity...

by Geezaldinho Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:30 am

I must have been thinking of another game.

The referee was Desi Miller, the linesmen were Greg Marshall and Rich Wallace, and the #4 was Ryan Abbott.

Desi has officiated 4 UP games this year in one capacity or another. Greg Marshall did a bunch of games last year.

Those guys are fixtures at college games in the NW. You would think they would be more familiar with the college variations.

I noticed the certified Women's referee list is even more exclusive than the men's. Only 4 refs and 2 assistants.

by **DaTruRochin** Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:47 am

Well I'm not sure if its more exclusive, or just the fact that there aren't as many women's pro leagues to justify more officials... But either way, its crazy just how few are qualified to do matches at the highest level, I suppose when it comes to big fixtures you need the creme de la creme....

by SoreKnees Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:44 am

Geezaldinho wrote:I noticed the certified Women's referee list is even more exclusive than the men's. Only 4 refs and 2 assistants.

And one of the two is from Portland, though she now lives in Southern California. Marlene Duffy is the daughter of current USSF State Referee Administrator Patrick Duffy. She grew up here and began her referee career here when she was in high school. I worked with her a few years back; she's an excellent referee!

by UPWomenSoccerRookie Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:49 pm

This isn't original; PurpleHaze noted it under the topic of Megan's interview. But it is worth considering before the Oregon State match (and may have been even more important before the Texas A&M match):

Question for Megan: We see that your Portland Pilots are off to a good start this college season. Any words of wisdom for your former teammates in purple as they head into WCC play?

Megan: “Just stay focused. It’s easy sometimes, especially if you are one of the teams on top, to think that you can dominate the conference, but you have to keep focused and never take any game lightly. And lastly, remember to have fun and smile.”

by UPWomenSoccerRookie Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:20 pm

http://www.oregonlive.com/pilots/index.ssf/2009/09/no_4_pilots_womens_soccer_team.html

by powerfan Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:57 pm

http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beavers-sports/article_e7cb2d24-a95d-11de-bd94-001cc4c03286.html

by aleppiek Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:59 am

So its gameday! Goal Celebration!

It appears from my reading that OSU is quite strong defensively (Relative) and has no intention of changing their gameplan when facing us. What do you all think? Should they be able to keep this thing close? OR are we playing angry about last weekend?

Any word on the fitness of Kassie or Cloee?

Was the structural change V SMU ( Sophie to CAM) an abberation, or are we now looking to get more speed up top?

Discuss amongst yourselves

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by UPSoccerFanatic Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:09 am

aleppiek wrote:Was the structural change V SMU ( Sophie to CAM) an abberation, or are we now looking to get more speed up top?

The question of the day, to be answered right around 7:00 pm. My best guess is, "Yes." Of course, I could be right and I could be wrong.

by SoreKnees Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:19 am

Does anyone know anything more about Foxhoven's absence in the SMU match?

by aleppiek Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:44 am

Where are all the usual suspects today? This place is a
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by UPSoccerFanatic Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:46 am

aleppiek wrote:
Where are all the usual suspects today? This place is a

Didn't you hear about Yell practice?

by aleppiek Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:47 am

Yell practice, that has got to be the strangest concept I have heard of.

by **PilotNut** Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:00 pm

Maybe they all hit the pre-game wine tasting early? scratch

by eProf Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:37 pm

aleppiek wrote:Any word on the fitness of Kassie or Cloee?

I stopped by practice yesterday. Kassi was in cleats and practicing with the team.

Cloee, Elli and Keelin were watching from the sidelines. Keelin was in cleats; the other two were in sneakers.

by aleppiek Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:54 pm

Well, guess we are starting to see the advantage of depth... I guess we'll just have to wait until 7 to see is up to playing. I am really looking forward to Kassi's energy out there... we could really have used her in TX.

by GUPhantom Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:45 pm

Probably a good time in the season for Cloee to have a break and rest. She's been involved and played on many U-National Team events since last year....with camps, WC tourneys etc... even before her 1st college season. Not really surprised at discovering a stress fracture with her young and still maturing body. Crying or Very sad

Still...I'd like to see her on the pitch again before the playoffs.

GO PILOTS!!!

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