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Post by PilotNut on Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:41 am

I'm taking the reigns back and starting the game thread... The Viks return to Chiles Center on Wednesday night. The Pilots have won 3 in a row in the series, including a 92-76 drubbing downtown (in spite of the fire alarm repeatedly going off during the start of the game).

PSU is 4-1 on the young season, with wins @Southern Cal (76-68), Willamette (84-63), SIU-E (90-87, OT), @CS Northridge (63-55) and the loss @Oregon (81-59). USC is not a great team, but any time you win in a Pac-12 gym it is notable.

Tim Douglas (Senior) runs the point, averaging over 32 minutes per game so far this year, along with 2.6 rebounds, 2.2 assists, 1.2 TOs and 12 points. Dorian Cason (Junior) is also on the roster, but has played only 7 minutes all year in the CSUN game. Did someone on here mention that he hasn't dressed for a couple games?


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Re: PSU @ Portland, 12/3, 7pm

Post by Geezaldinho on Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:26 am

Dorian did not dress for the first two games, I'm pretty sure.

An interesting tidbit is that Timmy has scored 27 points twice in the series.

As a freshman he scored his points for UP against PSU, and last year he lit the pilots up for the same.

As I recall, last year was a big night for Bailey (23) and van Der Mars(19).


And if you are taking them back, shouldn't they be reins? [/spell-rant]

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Re: PSU @ Portland, 12/3, 7pm

Post by up7587 on Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:08 am

I thought he meant he was lording it over us.

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Post by PilotNut on Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:40 am

Maybe I will also take back the weather and work on the rains...

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Post by Geezaldinho on Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:43 am

California....

Is that your doing?

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Re: PSU @ Portland, 12/3, 7pm

Post by DoubleDipper on Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:36 pm

Geezaldinho wrote:Dorian did not dress for the first two games, I'm pretty sure.
I’ve seen two PSU games on TV (including the USC game) and Dorian Cason was dressed for both, but did not play.

Of course we know Dorian, who is now a junior with no redshirts available after one year active and one redshirting at UP, before heading to College of Southern Idaho (where he was injured most of the year), has had a tough time of it in college.

A quick check of other members of Bryce's freshman class, Oskars Reinfelds, David Ahern, and Jake Ehlers finds them having varying degrees of success in their basketball lives.  

Oskars has played just a couple of minutes for D1 Troy this season after transferring from JUCO where he averaged a little over 9 points per game.

David is averaging 27 minutes a game and is shooting well at D2 Sonoma State.  Of course David was a walk-on at UP and filled-in for David Carr after his first knee injury.  Not a D1 caliber guard, perhaps, but a great teammate and well-liked by everyone at UP.

Jake is missing. I don't know where he has gone.  He was playing for D2 Seattle Pacific last season, but quit the team half way through the season, and now in his junior year of eligibility, he's nowhere to be found.

So it seems that only Bryce (and to a lesser degree, David) has truly hit his stride as a top UP recruit....and the others at one time had so much promise.  Is it attitude, the situation, or is it coaching?  Who knows, but when you consider the group that replaced David, Dorian, Oskars, and Jake at UP....it’s finally worked out on the court for the Pilots.

Oh, and if Tim Douglas had stayed at UP he would have been a senior last year, and it is conceivable that Alec would not have signed knowing he'd be a backup.  Regardless, he would not be the super experienced sophomore he is now if Tim had stuck around.  In last year's game, it was Tim who tried to win the game almost single handedly.....and as already noted, scored a bunch, but in talking to Alec afterward, he was not impressed.  "He could score, but he wasn't able to help his teammates score."

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Re: PSU @ Portland, 12/3, 7pm

Post by DoubleDipper on Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:55 am



Latest odds from Las Vegas have the Pilots winning by an unusually large spread of 9.5; KenPom is sticking with UP by 8.

Looking at the RPI....UP is rated #191, while PSU has dropped from its lofty double-digit numbers after its loss at UO, to 107.

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Re: PSU @ Portland, 12/3, 7pm

Post by Guest on Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:53 pm

Wintering is about three leagues above everyone else on the floor right now. Wow!!

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Re: PSU @ Portland, 12/3, 7pm

Post by PilotNut on Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:34 pm

In the end, it was a win.

PSU's comeback is square on Coach Rev.  He made a wholesale player change when we were up 27.  I can see wanting to go deeper in the bench at that point, but a wholesale change to all freshmen/new guys with 5+ minutes to go?  Yowza, especially in a rivalry game... you either need to wait another 90 seconds or so, or ease in the personnel change.  Don't drop all the new guys in at once.  

I understand that we want to get the younger guys some experience, but now I am sure that they lost a good bit of confidence.  

We are a program and fan base that has not had an abundance of things to really enjoy over the past several years...  A pasting of PSU would have been something for us fans.  I'm pretty sure the story in the Oregonian of this game (if there even is one) now will not be the Pilots overwhelming PSU in just about every category, rather it will be their comeback. Evil or Very Mad    

Oh, and Bailey was in a boot. pale

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Re: PSU @ Portland, 12/3, 7pm

Post by Guest on Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:42 pm

Yeah, I don't know....if you can't empty the bench when you're up 27 with under eight to go, when CAN you empty the bench?

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Post by Geezaldinho on Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:49 pm

PilotNut wrote:A pasting of PSU would have been something for us fans.  I'm pretty sure the story in the Oregonian of this game (if there even is one) now will not be the Pilots overwhelming PSU in just about every category, rather it will be their comeback. Evil or Very Mad    

Oh, and Bailey was in a boot. pale

Im not sure they have checked Bailey out yet, but yeah, that's a bummer.

And just to be clear....even with the sub brain fart, it was still a blowout.

You can tell because Bryce White stole the ball from Alex and went for the dunk when Alex went to shake his hand with five seconds left. You only do that when you are frustrated.

thomas was 9-9 from the field. But his free throws silent

And this time it was Alex's turn to throw down 27. There is a certain symmetry to that.

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Re: PSU @ Portland, 12/3, 7pm

Post by wrv on Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:58 pm

Though a blow out would have been enjoyable, watching this team dominate the boards was impressive. Sharp looks dangerous once again, as does Tyson. Bryce looks like he is over thinking his shots . . .let’s hope Bailey’s injury proves to be short term, less like Nick Ravio’s senior year.

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Re: PSU @ Portland, 12/3, 7pm

Post by jumpstop on Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:01 pm

I wasn't quite to my seat by the start of the game and noticed in the boxscore that there was a technical foul on Aitor. Any idea what that was for?

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Re: PSU @ Portland, 12/3, 7pm

Post by PilotNut on Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:07 pm

Yeah I am sure the boot was precautionary... but that makes me nervous that it was bad enough to do that and not just sit him.

Alec had a tremendous game. I will just say that I am happy with our current PG situation, and leave it at that. Wink

That particular PSU player also tried to tussle a bit as the teams were shaking hands after the horn blew, and he had to be pulled away by his teammates.

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Post by Guest on Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:09 pm

jumpstop wrote:I wasn't quite to my seat by the start of the game and noticed in the boxscore that there was a technical foul on Aitor.  Any idea what that was for?              

The guys on the broadcast said it was because he dunked in the layup line during warmups? Seriously, that's a tech?

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Post by DoubleDipper on Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:12 pm

DeanMurdoch wrote:Yeah, I don't know....if you can't empty the bench when you're up 27 with under eight to go, when CAN you empty the bench?
Not tonight!  Agree with PilotNut....this was a game we needed to not just win, but establish city superiority when we could.

Rev sends in everyone cold off the bench and expects them to compete with a team that was still fired up, playing trapping defense, and was more athletic than the UP team on the floor.  When the "first" team came back in it took them awhile to get back up to speed after they thought they were going to finish the game on the bench.

Great ball movement tonight...it was obvious the new guys are assimilating the offensive schemes very quickly....UP just doesn't need to put all those new guys on the court at once.

Very doubtful we'll see KB for awhile....no idea what it was that was bothering him....but last time he had that boot on it was for a very lengthy time! pale

The officiating was TERRIBLE!  CYO caliber would be a compliment to what we saw this evening.  I'm not saying one team or the other gained an advantage...it was just BAD in general.  When a ref would blow his whistle it was often for the smallest offense, and it was always about 3 seconds after the alleged offense occurred.  Too many times no whistle was blown when the foul was obvious.  I had my eye on the Referee Evaluator on the other side of the court...he was writing furiously!

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Re: PSU @ Portland, 12/3, 7pm

Post by PilotNut on Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:13 pm

DeanMurdoch wrote:Seriously, that's a tech?

Yep, and that is why you don't see teams practicing dunks, alley-oops, etc., during warm-ups. D'oh!

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Re: PSU @ Portland, 12/3, 7pm

Post by Geezaldinho on Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:17 pm

PilotNut wrote:
DeanMurdoch wrote:Seriously, that's a tech?

Yep, and that is why you don't see teams practicing dunks, alley-oops, etc., during warm-ups.  D'oh!

Got called against St Mary's a few years ago at the WCC tournament by our old friend Dave Libbey.

They were playing the Zags Embarassed


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Re: PSU @ Portland, 12/3, 7pm

Post by up7587 on Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:18 pm

PilotNut wrote:I'm pretty sure the story in the Oregonian of this game (if there even is one) now will not be the Pilots overwhelming PSU in just about every category, rather it will be their comeback. Evil or Very Mad    
There is a story on OregonLive, submitted by Nick Daschel: portland_pilots_off_to_best_start.  Headline says "dominating".

However, 1080 the Fan did not mention the game in their sports news summary, even though it was broadcast on their sister station.   They did mention the local Pac-12 schools. Mad

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Re: PSU @ Portland, 12/3, 7pm

Post by PilotNut on Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:20 pm

That headline might have come from the UP release....  Smile  I don't disagree that we dominated most of the game... but....  

Wintering, van der Mars Lead Pilots to Dominant Win over Portland State

Radio Highlights attached and courtesy of Sports 910 (KMTT) with Bill Johnson on the call

On the Web:  www.portlandpilots.com/news/2014/12/4/MBB_1204140546.aspx

PORTLAND, Ore. --- Sophomore point guard Alec Wintering scored a career-high 27 points and senior center Thomas van der Mars added 19 points and 14 rebounds as the Portland Pilots beat crosstown rival Portland State by an 83-71 margin Wednesday night at the Chiles Center. The Pilots led nearly start-to-finish and were up by as much as 27 points late in regulation.

Portland’s 6-1 is the best since the 1995-96 Pilots also won six of their first seven games. That team would go on to win 19 games and reach the NCAA Tournament.

Wintering, whose previous career high was 24 points earlier this season at San Jose State, made 7-of-12 from the field, 2-of 3 from three-point range and 11-of-13 foul shots. He added six assists and three rebounds in 30 minutes of action.

Van der Mars continued his dominance of the Vikings (4-2) by going a perfect 9-of-9 from the field. In last year’s win at Portland State, van der Mars finished with 19 points and 18 rebounds.

Portland played most of the game without leading scorer Kevin Bailey, who left late in the first half with a foot injury and did not return.

The Vikings took the early lead after a pair of free throws before tip-off as Portland was issued a technical foul for dunking during pregame warmups. The lead went to 4-0 on a jumper by Braxton Tucker, but Wintering scored the next seven points to give Portland the lead.

Van der Mars made a pair of layups and Pilot freshman D’Marques Tyson buried a three-pointer to give the Pilots a 23-16 lead and Portland would never look back. Wintering scored the final four points of the half to put Portland up 41-24 at the break.

An 11-4 run early in the second half pushed the margin to 64-40 on Pilot freshman Jason Todd’s jumper. Consecutive layups by van der Mars and Bryce Pressley gave Portland its largest lead at 72-45 with 7:47 remaining. With the Pilots emptying their bench, PSU was able to rattle off a 20-2 run to bring the margin briefly back to single digits, but the decision was never in doubt.

The Pilots outrebounded the Vikings by a 44-27 margin and shot 50 percent from the field while holding PSU to 40 percent overall.

Pressley had a typically solid all-around game with nine points, six rebounds, four assists, three steals and three blocked shots. Nine different Pilots scored in the game.

Tiegbe Bamba and DaShaun Wiggins led five Vikings in double figures with 13 points apiece.

Portland will return to the Chiles Center to host the Oregon State Beavers on Saturday at 7 p.m. Pregame radio coverage begins at 6:30 p.m. on Sports 910 and a free HD video stream will be available at PortlandPilots.com.

Newspaper Box Score
Portland State vs Portland
12/03/14 7:00 PM at Portland, Ore. (Chiles Center)
At Portland, Ore. (Chiles Center)

PORTLAND 83, PORTLAND STATE 71

PORTLAND STATE (4-2)
WIGGINS, DaShaun 4-10 3-5 13; BAMBA, Tiegbe 4-7 5-5 13; DOUGLAS, Tim 2-15
7-8 12; WHITE, Bryce 4-11 2-2 12; SWEENEY, Iziahiah 5-5 0-0 10; SPICKERMAN,
Collin 3-6 0-0 6; TUCKER, Braxton 1-4 1-2 3; GENGLER, Zach 1-2 0-0 2;
CATALDO, Brandon 0-0 0-0 0. Totals 24-60 18-22 71.

PORTLAND (6-1)
WINTERING, Alec 7-12 11-13 27; VAN DER MARS, Thomas 9-9 1-4 19; PRESSLEY,
Bryce 3-8 2-2 9; GERUN, Volodymyr 4-6 0-0 8; SHARP, Bobby 2-9 0-0 6; TYSON,
D'Marques 2-7 0-0 5; TODD, Jason 2-4 0-0 4; BARKER, Riley 1-3 1-2 3;
LIVINGSTON, Max 1-1 0-0 2; ZUBIZARRETA, Aitor 0-0 0-0 0; TAYLOR, Gabe 0-0
0-0 0; HARTWICH, Philipp 0-0 0-0 0; BAILEY, Kevin 0-3 0-0 0. Totals 31-62
15-21 83.

Portland State................   24   47  -   71
Portland......................   41   42  -   83

3-point goals--Portland State 5-17 (WHITE, Bryce 2-4; WIGGINS, DaShaun 2-5;
DOUGLAS, Tim 1-7; BAMBA, Tiegbe 0-1), Portland 6-21 (SHARP, Bobby 2-8;
WINTERING, Alec 2-4; PRESSLEY, Bryce 1-2; TYSON, D'Marques 1-6; TODD, Jason
0-1). Fouled out--Portland State-WIGGINS, DaShaun, Portland-GERUN,
Volodymyr. Rebounds--Portland State 27 (WIGGINS, DaShaun 5; TUCKER, Braxton


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Re: PSU @ Portland, 12/3, 7pm

Post by DoubleDipper on Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:21 pm

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jumpstop wrote:I wasn't quite to my seat by the start of the game and noticed in the boxscore that there was a technical foul on Aitor.  Any idea what that was for?              

The guys on the broadcast said it was because he dunked in the layup line during warmups? Seriously, that's a tech?
Yeah, it has been for sometime....but only when the guys in stripes (it pains me to call those three we saw tonight, referees) are on the court and see the offending player.  

Xubi was the culprit.

Not mentioned earlier....but UP's 3-point shooting was about as bad as it's been for awhile.  Yeah, I know, "come on, it was a blowout," but there were a number of open shots tonight that just didn't go down....and some were not close.

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Post by PilotNut on Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:24 pm

It's also possible that I was a little fired up after the game.... maybe I need a 2-hour waiting period before I post. Rolling Eyes

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Post by up7587 on Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:25 pm

DoubleDipper wrote:
DeanMurdoch wrote:Yeah, I don't know....if you can't empty the bench when you're up 27 with under eight to go, when CAN you empty the bench?
Not tonight!  Agree with PilotNut....this was a game we needed to not just win, but establish city superiority when we could.

Rev sends in everyone cold off the bench and expects them to compete with a team that was still fired up, playing trapping defense, and was more athletic than the UP team on the floor.  When the "first" team came back in it took them awhile to get back up to speed after they thought they were going to finish the game on the bench.
From Nick Daschel's report, regarding the PSU comeback against our subs:
Coach Reveno wrote:"We got some undesirable learning opportunities tonight"
Suspect

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Re: PSU @ Portland, 12/3, 7pm

Post by blacksheep on Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:34 pm

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Alec had a tremendous game.  I will just say that I am happy with our current PG situation, and leave it at that. Wink

 


While I really liked Douglas while he was a Pilot, we clearly have the best PG!  Wintering played a great all around game, not just scoring.  

As for putting the bench in when Rev did, I think it was the right call, I just wish our bench did a little better.   It's a good teachable moment. (how's that for purple colored glasses?)

While I don't necessarily disagree with that many calls tonight, if you are going to blow the whistle, you need to do it within at least two seconds of when the foul occurred Embarassed

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Post by PilotNut on Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:37 pm

I am glad to see the Oregonian's article linked here.

We have all complained about the (lack of) coverage from the O, but I will recognize that they wrote a nice game article (not the UP release I pasted in above) which I would encourage everyone to click on over to.  It does reflect the manner in which we dominated most of the game... I stand corrected (and relieved).  Its not a bad idea to let the O know that you appreciate the coverage and that want to see more of it!

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