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Post by onetouchfutbol on Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:36 am

Congrats to my wifeīs paisanos in Mexico for their Olympic gold in menīs soccer over Brazil. What does this really mean for the US vs. Mexico National Team rivalry?

Iīm not sure it means much of anything except for a lot of US jealousy. I think that the home team is going to continue to win the US vs. Mexico rivalry. Mexico showed that they have some rising stars to go along with Giovani dos Santos and Chicharito (who sat out the Olympics, I believe). The US also has a lot of reasons for optimism under Klinnsman, like beating the Italian team before they made the Euro Cup Final. If the players learn to be better finishers at the international level like some have become for their club teams (especially Dempsey and Hercules Gomez), there is a lot of reason for optimism. But, I think it could easily be argued that Mexico is better than us right now too...a more technical team with better finishers. I really donīt think we took the Olympics seriously though... Your thoughts?

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Re: Mexico over Brazil for gold...

Post by Geezaldinho on Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:41 am

How do you think the USA could have demonstrated they took the Olympics more seriously?...I mean other than qualifying.

It looks to me like we got out coached and outplayed.

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Re: Mexico over Brazil for gold...

Post by DaTruRochin on Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:22 am

The fact that Mexico won gold and Honduras reached the knockout stage leads me to believe maybe the CONCACAF qualifying was no slouch. Even with promising players like Agudelo and Shea (Who are both having VERY down years), there are still a lot of kinks to be worked out in the youth system, no small task, but one of the keys if Klinnsman is ever going to be successful. As for not taking it seriously? Not much they can do, they fielded their strongest teams possible, and they just got flat out beat in qualifying.

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Post by PurplePrideTrumpet on Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:13 pm

The biggest thing I learned from the men's tournament was that Gio dos Santos still plays in the Premiership. Laughing

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Re: Mexico over Brazil for gold...

Post by DaTruRochin on Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:19 pm

PurplePrideTrumpet wrote:The biggest thing I learned from the men's tournament was that Gio dos Santos still plays in the Premiership. Laughing

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Post by onetouchfutbol on Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:38 pm

PurpleGeezer wrote:How do you think the USA could have demonstrated they took the Olympics more seriously?...I mean other than qualifying.

It looks to me like we got out coached and outplayed.

Well, for one there was the roster:

http://www.ussoccer.com/teams/youth/us-under23-men/roster/2012-olympic-qualifying.aspx

These guys are simply not our best players, and many wonīt be on the MNT for the next World Cup at all. Granted, maybe it needs to be close to U-23, but, I really think we could have done better. I think that there are some better U-23 players on the MNT roster that Klinnsman has assembled than these guys...but, maybe Iīm wrong there...

Maybe someone could explain to me why thereīs so little overlap between Klinnsmanīs current team and these guys. The WNT that went to the Olympics and the team training for the next World Cup are pretty identical. Granted, thereīs no WPS so they may have a little bit more free time... But, still, it really doesnīt make sense. These were not our best guys in my opinion...

Here are the players weīll take to the friendly against Mexico on August 15th:

http://www.ussoccer.com/News/Mens-National-Team/2012/08/Klinsmann-Names-Roster-for-Aug-15-Friendly-Against-Mexico.aspx

Win or lose...itīs just a better team.

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Re: Mexico over Brazil for gold...

Post by DaTruRochin on Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:13 pm

Uhhh those are our best U-23 players... And the Olympic tournament is U-23 (with 3 overage exceptions per team.), we couldn't have been any better than that...

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Re: Mexico over Brazil for gold...

Post by Geezaldinho on Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:27 pm

onetouchfutbol wrote:


Maybe someone could explain to me why thereīs so little overlap between Klinnsmanīs current team and these guys. The WNT that went to the Olympics and the team training for the next World Cup are pretty identical. Granted, thereīs no WPS so they may have a little bit more free time... But, still, it really doesnīt make sense. These were not our best guys in my opinion...

The WNT looks identical for the World Cup and the Olympics because both are the full Senior team - no age limit.

The Mens Olympic team is strictly u23 for qualifiers. When the get to the Olympics, they can add 3 overage players.


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Re: Mexico over Brazil for gold...

Post by onetouchfutbol on Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:18 am

I think that the menīs squad should go with no age limit as well for the Olympic competition...so that we can send talented players like Wondolowski. All the same, I still donīt like the roster at all. It seems like everytime I see Freddy Adu representing us, he disappoints.

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Re: Mexico over Brazil for gold...

Post by PurplePrideTrumpet on Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:05 pm

onetouchfutbol wrote:I think that the menīs squad should go with no age limit as well for the Olympic competition...so that we can send talented players like Wondolowski. All the same, I still donīt like the roster at all. It seems like everytime I see Freddy Adu representing us, he disappoints.

FIFA would have to get clubs to agree to release their players for yet another international tournament and we both know how that will go over.

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Re: Mexico over Brazil for gold...

Post by DaTruRochin on Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:44 pm

Not to mention a tournament the same 4 year cycle as the Euro Cup. Unless the IOC is willing to insure the contracts of all the players playing, flat out not happening...

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Post by mattywizz on Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:41 pm

I think he is saying no age limit for the US but maintain the age limit for everyone else. That way we have a chance to win/qualify.

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