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Re: Pilots vs CAL Northridge

Post by PurplePrideTrumpet on Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:13 pm

VillaGorilla wrote:
From the article, it says the PK was awarded due to a handball in the box. For the referees in the forum, shouldn't a card have been issued?
Handling deliberately is a direct free kick offense. A direct free kick offense in a player's own penalty area results in a penalty kick. Not every penalty kick offense calls for a caution.

Generally, handling the ball is not cautioned unless a player deliberately handles in order to keep an opponent from gaining possession. This would be something like knocking it away from an opponent who clearly has a chance to control the ball.

VillaGorilla wrote:Wouldn't a PK be awarded after a clear goal scoring opportunity was stopped, and therefore call for at least a caution?
Yes, although denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity by handling (or fouling a player moving towards your goal) is a sending off offense, not a caution. If you handled and kept an opponent from gaining possession, but the keeper or another defender was still between that opponent and the goal, it would not be a clear goal scoring opportunity.

I do recall a game against SCU when I was a student. An SCU defender jumped up and swatted away a shot that clearly was going in like a volleyball spike. The only people who didn't see it were the referee and her assistants. If she had seen it this would have been a penalty kick and a sending off for denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity by handling.

VillaGorilla wrote:I seem to recall inadvertant handball calls in the penalty area at Merlo resulting in indirect free kicks in the box (not on the spot). But this is going off of memory and it's been a few years.
Technically, handling inadvertantly is not a foul at all.

It is an indirect free kick offense for the goalkeeper to handle a ball that has been kicked by a teammate, or to handle the ball a second time after releasing it.

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Re: Pilots vs CAL Northridge

Post by Geezaldinho on Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:31 pm

All hand balls are by definition deliberate, or they aren't a hand ball violation at all even if contact with the ball and hand are made. Refs are supposed to judge whether the ball hit the hand or the hand hit the ball, and whether your hand was in a "natural" position for that situation.

As for the denial of obvious goal scoring opportunity, FIFA is pretty loose on what that means.
The USSoccer Federation teaches refs that four conditions must be met for DOGSO to occur, and all must be present or there is no DOGSO. These are known as the 4 D's.

Number of Defenders -- not more than one defender between the foul and the goal, not
counting the defender who committed the foul
Distance to goal -- the closer the foul is to the goal, the more likely it is an obvious goalscoring
opportunity
Distance to ball -- the attacker must have been close enough to the ball at the time of the
foul to have continued playing the ball
Direction of play -- the attacker must have been moving toward the goal at the time the
foul was committed

These conditions were actually originally codified by UEFA, but they don't use them anymore.

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Re: Pilots vs CAL Northridge

Post by A_Fan on Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:09 pm

They also give both goals to Capelle in the article.

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Re: Pilots vs CAL Northridge

Post by ohhh_yeah on Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:23 pm

Geezaldinho wrote:
ohhh_yeah wrote:

Sinclair vs. Weber?

Yup.

She got the first goal on a PK after a takedown in the box.

The final tally was 2 goals from Christine and 2 from Lindsey Huie.


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Re: Pilots vs CAL Northridge

Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:19 pm

PurplePrideTrumpet wrote:.... It is an indirect free kick offense for the goalkeeper ... to handle the ball a second time after releasing it.

Next trivia question: What goalkeeper had this called against her at Merlo field?

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Re: Pilots vs CAL Northridge

Post by Geezaldinho on Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:26 pm

UPSoccerFanatic wrote:
PurplePrideTrumpet wrote:.... It is an indirect free kick offense for the goalkeeper ... to handle the ball a second time after releasing it.

Next trivia question: What goalkeeper had this called against her at Merlo field?

Erin Fahey?

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Re: Pilots vs CAL Northridge

Post by SoreKnees on Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:38 am

UPSoccerFanatic wrote:
PurplePrideTrumpet wrote:.... It is an indirect free kick offense for the goalkeeper ... to handle the ball a second time after releasing it.

Next trivia question: What goalkeeper had this called against her at Merlo field?

Ruth Montgomery (Cleveland HS alumna) of St. Mary's, in the final two minutes while St. Mary's was clinging to a one-goal lead, which they held to upset the Pilots. Don't remember the year, maybe 2000?

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Re: Pilots vs CAL Northridge

Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:07 pm

Very good SoreKnees except that you have the wrong high school (unless she transferred during HS). She graduated from St. Mary's Academy. She was one of those charismatic keepers like Kasey Keller and Kelsey Davis who had a tremendous effect on everything happening on the field.

I'm not sure of the year either and don't want to look it up, but I believe it was very shortly after they changed the rule so that keepers could not pick up kicked passes from defenders, which also meant that keepers could not pick up the ball, put it down, and pick it up again since that effectively would be a defender passing to the keeper.

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Re: Pilots vs CAL Northridge

Post by PurplePrideTrumpet on Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:02 pm

UPSoccerFanatic wrote:
PurplePrideTrumpet wrote:.... It is an indirect free kick offense for the goalkeeper ... to handle the ball a second time after releasing it.

Next trivia question: What goalkeeper had this called against her him at Merlo field?
Justin Baarts, Portland v. OSU, August 25, 2010.

OSU scored off the free kick (the first player tapped it to the second).

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Re: Pilots vs CAL Northridge

Post by Geezaldinho on Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:03 pm

beat me to it.

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Re: Pilots vs CAL Northridge

Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:15 pm

PurplePrideTrumpet wrote:
UPSoccerFanatic wrote:
PurplePrideTrumpet wrote:.... It is an indirect free kick offense for the goalkeeper ... to handle the ball a second time after releasing it.

Next trivia question: What goalkeeper had this called against her him at Merlo field?
Justin Baarts, Portland v. OSU, August 25, 2010.

OSU scored off the free kick (the first player tapped it to the second).

Great timing for those interested in the above discussion. It was not, however, a case of Baarts passing to himself, which is what Montgomery did.

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Re: Pilots vs CAL Northridge

Post by VillaGorilla on Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:29 am

Boy, I just had to bring it up, didn't I? And mention it hadn't happened in a while!

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Re: Pilots vs CAL Northridge

Post by SoreKnees on Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:44 am

UPSoccerFanatic wrote:Very good SoreKnees except that you have the wrong high school (unless she transferred during HS). She graduated from St. Mary's Academy. She was one of those charismatic keepers like Kasey Keller and Kelsey Davis who had a tremendous effect on everything happening on the field.

You're right, she did go to St. Mary's. She lived in the Cleveland district, so I mistakenly assumed/remembered Cleveland.

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