RPI for 2008

Just doing a quick check on the TES calculator, there are a couple schools available (maybe).

The quest for schools not in your conference restricts Stanford's chances to only a few schools, and the 400 mile rule restricts things further. Also, the potential schools can't themselves be ranked in the top 16. Those schools are in different brackets for the first two rounds.


So, the pools for Stanford looks like Long Beach State (RPI 27), and (maybe) Loyola Marymount (RPI 47). Those are the same two schools that UCLA has to draw from. Last year schools to RPI 47 made the tournament, so LMU is by no means guaranteed

Don't forget about Cal.

I *think* the rule is that teams from the same conference can't play in the first round and that second round match-ups are strongly discouraged but not totally forbidden.

Wouldn't surprise me to see the committee put Stanford and Cal in the same pod and headed for a second-round match... seems like they are pretty serious about this travel cost stuff.

Stonehouse wrote:Don't forget about Cal.

Not an option for Stanford-- same conference.

Oh I know, but.... I thought (I could be wrong) that the rule only applies strictly to first round match-ups and that second-round match-ups, while not wanted, are still allowable.

EDIT: Ha ha... well, I think I'm confusing myself. Apparently I knew the rule definitely applied in the first two rounds a month ago.

https://www.pilotnation.net/women-s-soccer-f7/ncaa-rule-changes-might-benefit-pilots-for-hosting-t1327.htm?highlight=ncaa

Here's part of the NCAA memo that explains it.

The cabinet also considered an additional tier of recommendations but deferred action pending membership review:

Increase the travel policy mileage-limitation from 300 miles to 350 miles for Division I men’s and women’s basketball and increase the policy regarding ground commute from the nearest airport to the championships site from 120 to 150 miles.
Limit seeded teams to 25 percent of the bracket and require all sports (excluding men’s and women’s basketball) to adhere to the cabinet’s seeding/pairing principles. This includes a requirement that teams should be placed in brackets per NCAA Bylaw 31.1.3.2.5 (geographically).
In sports other than men’s and women’s basketball, limit the mandated avoidance of conference match-ups to first-round games. For example, it would be permissible for teams from the same conference to play against each other in the second game of a regional.

Does anyone else think that with the economic focus of the NCAA at this time, that it may benefit Portland finally to be the most fiscally viable host site?

So, Geez... just to make sure I'm reading that correctly, that was a recommendation that has not yet been acted on, right? So it is definitely still in place?

Quick... where are the lawyers on this board!

If you look at the excerpt I quoted, you'll see.

teams should be placed in brackets per NCAA Bylaw 31.1.3.2.5 (geographically)

This is significant because Bylaw 31.1.3.2.1 says that potential for income is a consideration. If this change is instituted, it would seem to exclude that provision.

Stonehouse wrote:So, Geez... just to make sure I'm reading that correctly, that was a recommendation that has not yet been acted on, right? So it is definitely still in place?

Quick... where are the lawyers on this board!

That is correct. The 2 game non-conference rule is still in effect. There was an NCAA meeting this weekend that theoretically could have ruled to cut it back to 1 game, but I have seen no press release that they have (yet).

Well well well... imagine what a pickle the NCAA could find itself in.

Imagine this scenerio... UCLA, USC, Portland, Stanford, and Washington all get seeds. A lot of west coast seeds will have to hit the road... even if WSU, Cal, and Portland State all make it.

And if Weber State wins the Big Sky, they wouldn't fit in the travel radius. Northern Arizona should for an LA team...

NAU is too far, according to the TES calculator

UCLA-NAU = 483 miles

Wow...

Let's break this down a bit. West Coast teams in for sure:

Washington
Portland
Stanford
UCLA
USC
San Diego
Long Beach State

West Coast teams have a good shot:
Cal

West Coast teams on teams on the bubble:
LMU
Washington State

Only can get in by winning Big Sky:
Portland State

as much as I wouldn't like to play Washington in the 2nd round... I would prefer to play at home and play them, than go on the road and not play them.

Oregon may be a surprise if they win a game next week. They have USC and UCLA. They beat those schools when they weren't supposed to have a chance before. It looks like this time if they did it, they could get in.

Drilling down a bit more... looks like UW, USC, and San Diego are all borderline seeded teams right now.

If USD beats us (heaven forbid!) they likely will work their way into a seed.

Stonehouse wrote:Drilling down a bit more... looks like UW, USC, and San Diego are all borderline seeded teams right now.

If USD beats us (heaven forbid!) they likely will work their way into a seed.

we need to work our mojo so that UW doesn't get a seed.

Yes indeed... that's the key for sure!

But even if they don't...

Portland (host)
Washington
TEAM X (Portland State?)
TEAM Y

UCLA (host)
San Diego/LMU (?)
Long Beach State
TEAM X

Forced to travel:
Stanford
Cal
San Diego/LMU (?)
WSU (?)

And if UW does get a seed and PSU and WSU don't make it...

UCLA (host)
San Diego/LMU(?)
Long Beach State
TEAM X

Forced to travel:
Portland (seeded)
Washington (seeded)
Stanford (seeded)
Cal
San Diego/LMU (?)
WSU (?)


Hmmmm.... think these travel rules are maybe a bit unfair to West Coast teams?

Stonehouse wrote:Yes indeed... that's the key for sure!

But even if they don't...

Portland (host)
Washington
TEAM X (Portland State?)
TEAM Y

UCLA (host)
San Diego/LMU (?)
Long Beach State
TEAM X

Forced to travel:
Stanford
Cal
San Diego/LMU (?)
WSU (?)

Lmu and Long Beach are within range of both UCLA and Stanford. They could spit those schools so each 1 seed stays home.

USC and San Diego is a natural if either gets seeded. Or they could ship in a seeded school.

I'm anxious to see what adding Santa Clara to our SOS did to our RPI?

My prediction is that UPSF will give us his RPI momentarily....

Shocking since it just went up on Big Soccer I'm onto you geez

You all are way too smart. Here are the rankings for the top 85, with their adjusted RPIs. I used the top 85 because #80 is the break point for the second tier of bonus points for wins/ties over teams #80 or lower. I'll get these up now and will comment later.

1 UCLA 0.722905
2 Stanford 0.721867
3 North Carolina U 0.721582
4 Florida State 0.698205
5 Portland U 0.696496
6 Notre Dame 0.695459
7 Florida U 0.681417
8 Boston College 0.663496
9 Texas A&M 0.656886
10 Duke 0.649750
11 Virginia U 0.646209
12 Penn State 0.644789
13 Oklahoma State 0.644033
14 USC 0.638183
15 Wake Forest 0.636528
16 Texas U 0.636281
17 Colorado U 0.634330
18 Washington U 0.632255
19 BYU 0.624704
20 Long Beach State 0.621318
21 Wisconsin Milwaukee 0.619302
22 Minnesota U 0.611389
23 San Diego U 0.610923
24 UCF 0.608748
25 Miami FL 0.608549
26 Princeton 0.608470
27 Illinois U 0.605531
28 Missouri U 0.604172
29 Virginia Tech 0.604107
30 Rutgers 0.601520
31 South Carolina U 0.601109
32 West Virginia U 0.600970
33 LSU 0.600246
34 Charlotte 0.599356
35 Denver 0.597084
36 Michigan State 0.596011
37 William and Mary 0.595271
38 Auburn 0.594071
39 Kansas U 0.592958
40 California U 0.592700
41 Harvard 0.592635
42 Marquette 0.591685
43 Washington State 0.591470
44 James Madison 0.591434
45 Arizona State 0.589575
46 East Carolina 0.589439
47 Georgia U 0.588100
48 TCU 0.586638
49 UNC Greensboro 0.585892
50 Columbia 0.585547
51 Oregon U 0.582505
52 Dayton 0.581706
53 Loyola Marymount 0.580394
54 Purdue 0.580375
55 Boston U 0.579435
56 Ohio State 0.579300
57 Northwestern U 0.578213
58 Hofstra 0.576961
59 Old Dominion 0.576837
60 UNC Wilmington 0.575260
61 Arizona U 0.573017
62 Connecticut U 0.572323
63 Western Kentucky 0.571142
64 UC Santa Barbara 0.569382
65 Colorado College 0.568655
66 Utah U 0.568435
67 Memphis 0.568173
68 New Mexico U 0.566728
69 Louisville 0.566616
70 Georgetown 0.562485
71 Nebraska U 0.556436
72 Rice 0.556213
73 Fairfield 0.555499
74 Brown 0.553868
75 St Johns 0.552248
76 Toledo 0.551128
77 Yale 0.551071
78 Cincinnati 0.550531
79 UNLV 0.550318
80 Saint Louis 0.550120
81 Long Island 0.549809
82 Kennesaw State 0.548579
83 Davidson 0.547869
84 Santa Clara 0.545552
85 Dartmouth 0.541122

It looks like next year we should get North Carolina in our non-conf schedule along with Stanford and UCLA to have a chance at a number one seed.

Chin up, Auto Pilot. The WCC was weak this year, and we'll still get a boost from the San Diego game.

Normally Santa Clara would be Top 10. That just didn't happen this year.