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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by wrv on Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:19 am

Whatever my thoughts about the Zags, you have to be impressed with their program. When was the last time a WCC or WCAC team was No. 1: was it USF in the late severties; these Zags are better than those Cartwright lead teams, imo.

The Pilots goal of being competitive in this league is daunting and seemingly becoming more so.

http://sports.mynorthwest.com/553240/gonzaga-passes-kansas-for-no-1/

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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by Geezaldinho on Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:45 am

Um, the zags were ranked #1 during the 2012-2013 season and ended with a 1 seed.


Karnowski’s first year. They got their ranking in March after a 16-0 conference season.

They lost to Wichita State in the third round.


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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by PilotNut on Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:19 pm

wrv wrote:The Pilots goal of being competitive in this league is daunting and seemingly becoming more so.

Agreed. Obviously GU is many levels above the rest of the WCC--let alone the bottom half of the conference.

All of the other schools in the WCC have the same goals we do--to improve. This is already paying dividends with wins at USD, LMU and USF... SMC and BYU may be down (relatively) a bit this year but are still the cream of the conference. Pepp has had very strong recruiting in Coach Romar's short tenure. Pacific had success/wins last season (TBD this season)... SCU just announced $25MM in donations for a new Athletics Academic, Training & Practice Center. USF also has new/renovated facilities.

The hill to climb is indeed very steep, just to keep up with the conference, let alone climb the ranks... there have been great UP Athletics capital projects completed recently, or soon to be completed: The Beauchamp Center (practice facility), Chiles renovations (training & medical facilities, fan atmosphere improvements), The Franz Campus (new tennis center, track complex, rowing, beach volleyball, soccer/lacrosse practice fields), and the in-process complete renovation of the Baseball stadium. I hope that when we are making these investments, we are making sure that we end up with "best in conference" facilities. I also hope that with the completion of The Beauchamp Center and the funding of the Franz Campus, some focus can shift back to the Basketball programs to make sure we are investing appropriately to not only keep up, but exceed our conference mates.

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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by Geezaldinho on Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:41 pm

I think we have to spend about 8 times what we currently do to match Gonzaga. 

Don’t see it happening.
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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by Dean Murdoch on Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:51 pm

Geezaldinho wrote:I think we have to spend about 8 times what we currently do to match Gonzaga. 

Interesting you bring up spending on the day this very interesting piece by John Canzano in the Oregonian today popped up on my Twitter feed - https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2018/11/pac-12-larry-scott-leftout-part1.html#incart_river_index - not directly related to the WCC, but a pretty scathing reminder that not all goals can be accomplished purely by throwing money at it.

And as I was trying to figure out a way to watch tomorrow's UP/Colorado game, I saw that the Pac-12 Networks feed tweeted this within an hour of the Canzano piece coming out. Ouch.

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Post by PilotNut on Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:27 pm

I agree that throwing money in and of itself is not the solution--however the program needs to be a priority for capital investments, salaries, budgets, etc... but also from a more general support/priority standpoint if we are going to keep up with the Joneses.  

A few examples come to mind to me--and I am not saying these aren't happening--but these are some things to consider:  Are the various Offices in Waldschmidt Hall providing the academic support and flexibility necessary to attract and retain the highest levels of student athletes?  (I am sure that Notre Dame excels at doing this for football... are we doing everything we can?)  Are Athletics a consideration/priority for the Alumni office?  Where does Athletics fit into larger University Marketing considerations?  

Again, I am not saying these things aren't happening, but I think as UP, and more specifically Basketball fans, it is up to each of us to make sure the U knows that this is a priority for us, and therefore hopefully a priority for the U...


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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by DoubleDipper on Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:13 pm

Dean Murdoch wrote:And as I was trying to figure out a way to watch tomorrow's UP/Colorado game...
As we've found out before, the Pac-12 Network is broken into regions: Arizona, Bay Area, Los Angeles, Mountain, Oregon, and Washington....and not all provide the same programing at the same time.

It was met with some excitement when the WCC announced the Pilots vs. Colorado game would be broadcast live on the Pac-12 Network, but that excitement was tempered when it was learned the only TV live feed of the game would be on the Pac-12 Mountain Network.  

If you want to watch the game on TV in the Portland area, you'll have to wait for the repeat/delayed broadcast that airs at midnight on Wednesday 11/28.

Pretty sure we can stream the game live to our devices at 6pm PST using this link: https://pac-12.com/mens-basketball/event/2018/11/28/portland-colorado
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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by PilotNut on Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:27 pm

If you have Xfinity/Comcast with the Pac-12 Channel, you should also have access to the live Mountain Stream/Channel via the Pac-12 Now app or on the link above. You will likely have to enter your Xfinity credentials...

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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by Dean Murdoch on Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:28 pm

And if we don’t have Xfinity credentials, or any other “approved” provider?

Seems like the Pac-12 pays a metric boatload of cash for a network not a lot of people can watch!
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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by PilotNut on Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:52 pm

But hey they get a bunch of late-night kickoffs in Corvallis, Eugene and Pullman!

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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by up7587 on Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:11 pm

PilotNut wrote:If you have Xfinity/Comcast with the Pac-12 Channel, you should also have access to the live Mountain Stream/Channel via the Pac-12 Now app or on the link above.  You will likely have to enter your Xfinity credentials...

Looks like I get the game via Comcast's streaming of the PACMT network.
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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by Stonehouse on Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:29 pm

wrv wrote:When was the last time a WCC or WCAC team was No. 1: was it USF in the late severties; these Zags are better than those Cartwright lead teams, imo.

And it marks the second WCC #1 ranking of the 2018-19 sports year (and 6th top 5 ranking)... BYU has been ranked #1 in volleyball most of this season; BYU and Portland were ranked #2/#3 in men's XC; Santa Clara got up to #4 in women's soccer; and SMC got up to #5 in the men's soccer.

Not a bad fall for the WCC.

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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by SouthCarolinaPilot on Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:14 pm

Dean Murdoch wrote:And if we don’t have Xfinity credentials, or any other “approved” provider?

Seems like the Pac-12 pays a metric boatload of cash for a network not a lot of people can watch!

I have you Dean: Reddit Link
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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by up7587 on Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:57 pm

From Mid-Major Madness:
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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by Sound Voltex on Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:46 pm

Tonight around the WCC, everybody lost.

Ole Miss 93, San Diego 86
Illinois State 92, BYU 89 (OT)
Fresno State 81, Pacific 78 (OT)
UC Irvine 80, Saint Mary's 75
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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by DoubleDipper on Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:09 pm

Sound Voltex wrote:Tonight around the WCC, everybody lost.

Ole Miss 93, San Diego 86
Illinois State 92, BYU 89 (OT)
Fresno State 81, Pacific 78 (OT)
UC Irvine 80, Saint Mary's 75
The only real upset was UCI over SMC, the Gaels were favored by 7 over the Anteaters.  

BYU was favored by 2, but they were on the road, not their preferred venue...

Fresno St. is a very good team and was favored by 10 at home, so UOP payed very well in taking the Bulldogs to overtime.

USD was also on the road and played well and beat the spread....
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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by Dean Murdoch on Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:59 am

USF beat Stephen F. Austin in Belfast this morning and will now play Buffalo.

You'd have to think if the Dons beat the Bulls tomorrow, they'd have to start garnering serious at-large consideration Shocked
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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by DoubleDipper on Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:02 am

Dean Murdoch wrote:USF beat Stephen F. Austin in Belfast this morning and will now play Buffalo.

You'd have to think if the Dons beat the Bulls tomorrow, they'd have to start garnering serious at-large consideration Shocked
It was a fun, race-horse, game to watch from Belfast, Northern Ireland, but USF (NET #12) lost to #21 (NET #14) Buffalo, 85-81.

Let there be no mistake about it, the Dons are good, but this morning they only shot 4/20 from 3-point range, and really could have used my man Souley Boum, now redshirting at UTEP.

USF's coach Kyle Smith has done wonders to turn the program around in just his third season on the Hilltop through smart recruiting and player development.

USF is mature and deep, and Smith was able to juggle his lineup in adjustment to Buffalo's intense pressure and larger size underneath.  

It's always tougher when WCC play begins because the teams are scouted so well, but USF will finish no lower than 4th in the conference, and could even be second!
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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by DoubleDipper on Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:35 pm

GU beat Creighton in the Zags first road game of the year, 103-92, but it wasn't easy.

The Blue Jays controlled the first 30 minutes, but Zack Norvell scored 23 of his career high 28 points in the second half, and GU came from 12 points down to win for the 8th time this year.

It was another fun, up tempo game to watch...
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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by DoubleDipper on Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:42 pm

SMC is back in a big way after 4 straight losses thanks to 13 3-pointers against Cal yesterday.  Former UP recruit, Malik Fitts, is now a monster after his transfer from South Florida and a redshirt year, and based upon his performance last night, he'll soon be an all-WCC choice.

USD, UOP, SCU, and PU also won yesterday, but despite Childs 31 points, BYU lost to instate rival, Weber State, 113-103.


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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by DoubleDipper on Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:02 pm

With just over a month to go until WCC play begins on January 3rd, here's how the WCC teams rank among the 353 D1 teams according to KenPom.com:

3. GU (8-0)
60. USF (7-1)
68. SMC (4-4)
81. BYU (5-4)
110. USD (6-2)
122. LMU (8-0)
155. UOP (6-4)
177. PU (5-2)
248. SCU (3-5)
262. UP (5-4)

LMU risks its unbeaten record tonight at #53 UCLA on the Pac-12 Network.
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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by Sound Voltex on Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:31 pm

Back to rock bottom on the Mid-Major Madness WCC Power Rankings.

https://www.midmajormadness.com/2018/12/3/18122800/wcc-power-rankings-gonzaga-bulldogs-zags-usf-san-francisco-dons-san-diego-lmu-usd-byu-west-coast

Honestly, I have nothing to say. This team is really bad.
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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by PilotNut on Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:30 pm

Interesting start so far... BYU and SMC are down, LMU, USF and USD are up, GU looking like a legit Final Four contender...

And then there is us--the results speak for themselves. I still feel like I don't have a good gauge on this team, other than us not yet having a quality win. We played well against North Texas (but we still don't know their level, looking at their results), and ended up getting blown out @Hawaii & @Colorado (and vs. Texas St). The wins @CSUN and vs. USC Upstate & Cal Poly are not looking strong.

Without Clark & Tryon, our bench has not been as long as I hoped it might be. Akwuba may be better than anticipated. Shaver and Walker continue to be solid.

The rest of the non-conference schedule is reasonable... with a few tougher games (@PSU, Seattle U) and some good opportunities to pick up wins (Sac St, Grambling St, FAMU, CSUF). Maybe by New Year's Day, I will have better grasp on this... Beating the Viks on Wednesday would be a good step.

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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by DoubleDipper on Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:18 pm

Mid-Major Madness wrote:Honestly, I have nothing to say. This team is really bad
Coach Krzyzewski wrote:The single most important ingredient after you get the talent is internal leadership. It's not the coaches as much as one single person or people on the team who set higher standards than that team would normally set for itself.
Sitting courtside, it is pretty obvious to me that no natural team leader has emerged.  Lots of direction coming from the bench, but until Crisshawn finally gets on the court, there is very little internal leadership.
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Re: The Preseason WCC & Non-Conference Opponent Thread, Part 1

Post by up7587 on Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:22 pm

I guess I am troubled by the team not playing a consistent team game. I see too many hero shots; great if you make it, but really bad when you miss. Is that the plan from the coaches, or is it selfish decisions by the players?
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