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Post by Stonehouse on Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:29 pm

Check it out!!!



Gosh that would be awesome. Though I do wonder if they will end up including all the field elements, like jumping pits and throwing circles and all that.

And look in the background for the new Physical Plant building (which just got a $10 million gift for its relocation), the new tennis center, the boathouse/dock, and the two practice fields. Makes me drool!!!


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Post by DoubleDipper on Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:44 pm

God's eye view from Soderstrom Architects.....


Just going by these plans, apparently there is no planned foot bridge over the railroad tracks that split the River Campus.
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Post by Stonehouse on Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:14 pm

DoubleDipper wrote:Just going by these plans, apparently there is no planned foot bridge over the railroad tracks that split the River Campus.

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. I think (don't quote me on this) that they are still working out with the railroad if a footbridge is doable.
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Post by SouthCarolinaPilot on Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:01 am

If they added all of the appropriate field elements to the track then we could possibly host a big meet, which would be awesome exposure.
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Post by PilotNut on Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:38 pm

DoubleDipper wrote:Just going by these plans, apparently there is no planned foot bridge over the railroad tracks that split the River Campus.

If you look at Stonehouse's image, there is a bridge over the tracks leading to the boathouse, just southeast of the new tennis center.

Do we know the timing of any of this? It looks fantastic... a long time coming!

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Post by DoubleDipper on Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:17 pm

Oh yeah...looks like a vehicle bridge.

Just wonder if it's in the actual plans.... Question Could add quite a bit of cost that might be better spent, but it would seem there'd have to be some sort safety features associated with the track(s).
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Post by blacksheep on Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:24 pm

Is a foot bridge really necessary? Those tracks don't get a ton of rail traffic. They pretty much only get used by the Toyota dock south of Cathedral Park. The tracks go right through Cathedral Park and it never seems to be a problem.
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Post by SouthCarolinaPilot on Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:05 pm

The tracks may be at grade and unused, but with athletic facilities there, I think some sort of over/underpass is necessary. If some sort of emergency happens on one side of the tracks with a train going by you wouldnít want first responders sitting and waiting while the train passes. Those minutes are valuable. This is the unlikely extreme but is very real life for some residents in small towns along the Gorge.
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Post by Stonehouse on Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:43 pm

PilotNut wrote:Do we know the timing of any of this? †It looks fantastic... a long time coming!

I know they are hoping to get working on the two soccer fields (one grass, one turf) ASAP. But there is still some wrangling that needs to happen with the city and permits. I think there was hope they might be able to start in this fall, but it might get delayed until spring when the weather improves.

They are only allowed to work in the water for a specific period of time (something like May-August) for environmental reasons, and I know they are hoping to use all that time in 2018. There's a lot of work that needs to be done - removing all the old docks (dolphins, I guess, to be more specific) and old pilings, and then building the dock for the boathouse.

As for the physical plant, track, and tennis center... not sure on the timeframe for those. The physical plant did just get a major gift ($10 million), so that will certainly help. I believe there is another very significant gift that is at least in part earmarked for the River Campus... if and when that is announced that might give some clarity on the timeframe for everything.
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Post by DoubleDipper on Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:06 pm

I was just shown another rendering that clearly shows it is a footbridge leading to the boat house/rowing center over single set of tracks.

Also in the rendering is a level crossing of the tracks for vehicles located at the north end of the River Campus.

Hard to say what the final product will actually look like.....

UP Vice-president for Operations Jim Ravelli surmised the two soccer fields and tennis center "will happen" in 2018-19. My guess is the running track will be last.

I was on the River Campus last week, and the only thing there that looks recently built is the parking lot at the north end.
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Post by ehk21 on Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:41 am

Of course the running track will be last. Track and field is always last at UP. Haven't had a track in place since 1984. It's really quite shameful.

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Post by pilotram on Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:22 pm

Love it. What's with the soccer field in the middle? Very Happy
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Post by Geezaldinho on Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:34 pm

I keep thinking Iím at Boise Stateís track
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Post by SouthCarolinaPilot on Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:22 am

Getting a track would actually be pretty huge for us relative to the conference. BYU is the only school with a full-sized track facility. Pepperdine has some sort of four lane track that their soccer team plays inside of. But, thatís it.

Whatís interesting to me is that every WCC school competes in track but we donít have it sponsored as a WCC sport. More WCC schools have track teams than golf or softball teams. Maybe the facility issue is why. Seems like it would require a whole lot of effort to instate a conference track and field championship.
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Re: Rendering of Franz Campus Track

Post by Stonehouse on Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:45 pm

The erstwhile River Campus is now officially known as the Franz Campus, in recognition of a lead gift from the estate of the late Bob Franz: https://www.up.edu/news/2018/02/2018-state-of-up-address.html

Initial work has already begun with improvements to the infrastructure and preparations to the property, which the Franz gift will help support. Eventually, the Franz Campus will be home to two additional soccer practice and intramural lighted fields, a tennis center, a track and field facility, an environmental research space for hands-on application of the science curriculum, a rowing center and dock, a new physical plant building, and additional campus parking.

A few more renderings below... in particular note the one that also includes a rendering of the adjacent McCormick and Baxter property, with what looks like softball fields, a few more soccer fields, and an amphitheater. Gosh it would be awesome if UP one day got control of that property and was able to develop it like that!











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Post by Stonehouse on Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:50 pm

Further note... I'm also pretty excited about what UP might be able to do with the land the tennis center currently sits on once it moves down to the Franz Campus.

That's a *huge* piece of prime real estate on the main campus. A new academic building? A student center? A dorm? A performance/lecture space? So many possibilities...
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Post by PilotNut on Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:20 pm

The land that the current L.P. Tennis Center sits on is prime...if some of the vegetation behind it was trimmed, there would be a great view of the river.

Does anyone know about the building that currently houses the Physical Plant? That is steep land to try to do much with, but I recall something about lab space?

That side of campus could look very different and much better soon...

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Post by SouthCarolinaPilot on Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:10 am

This is all so awesome! I know the University has been eyeing that McCormick and Baxter property for a long time now. I do have to wonder if the softball fields are just an rendering of the potential for the area, an idea, intramural space, or if there is some long term goal to start a softball team and compete in the WCC? 🤔

Construction starting in March?! It's already March!

I agree that the tennis center is prime real estate. I heard that the tennis building itself is somewhat portable (?). So, it could just be deconstructed and re-assembled down on the river. Is there any truth to that?
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Post by DoubleDipper on Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:09 am

There are no (current) plans for UP to develop the McCormick and Baxter property that was once a creosote plant, and even after years of EPA cleanup still has "hot spots." †Issues of liability and cost are factors in any future decision to develop the land, but it could be a nice area to include in a X-C course for fleet-footed runners, something that could solidify UP's X-C status in the US.

The tennis courts will NOT be moved to the Franz campus, the six courts there will be brand new and will includes scoreboards and seating for spectators. †The new facility will make UP eligible to host the WCC Tennis Tournament. †

The space where the tennis center now sits is currently designated to be a plaza where people can lounge to enjoy the views of the river and hills to the west. Earlier renderings showed the wonderful view over this new plaza from Shiley Hall to the river below.

The space where the physical plant currently sits will most likely become an innovation laboratory that will be a great additional resource for the engineering department, and combined with the new environmental lab that will be part of the rowing center, will add a great deal to the research that goes on at UP.

On Tuesday Fr. Mark mentioned that the most generally appreciated feature of the Franz Campus will be the additional parking for students, staff, and faculty.... Very Happy
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Post by Stonehouse on Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:48 pm

DoubleDipper wrote:The space where the tennis center now sits is currently designated to be a plaza where people can lounge to enjoy the views of the river and hills to the west. Earlier renderings showed the wonderful view over this new plaza from Shiley Hall to the river below.

That would be fantastic! I'm a big proponent of the power of "placemaking"... done right, that space could become a real gathering spot and point of pride for the campus. Would be neat opportunity to add some more public art to campus as well.
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Trail People Uprising...

Post by DoubleDipper on Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:38 am

All the legalize in this article made me take a few more sips of beer to finish it last night, but apparently trail enthusiasts need a 14-16 foot wide trail through the Franz Campus to make their lives happier, and UP has agreed to only 8 feet.

Shadrach, what's going on? †

Maybe you can get the trail people to put up a parking garage in exchange for a trail wide enough to support their needs.

https://bikeportland.org/2018/03/08/university-of-portland-campus-expansion-puts-north-portland-greenway-advocates-on-edge-270763
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Post by up7587 on Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:58 am

. . . who is obligated to give up land for the trail . . .
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As for whatís required by land-use law, it appears that U of P has no legal requirement to build the trail.

Hey, if you want to confiscate private property, pay for it.
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Post by Stonehouse on Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:14 pm

DoubleDipper wrote:All the legalize in this article made me take a few more sips of beer to finish it last night, but apparently trail enthusiasts need a 14-16 foot wide trail through the Franz Campus to make their lives happier, and UP has agreed to only 8 feet.

The University has been involved in planning meetings for NP Greenway for many years, and has been a willing participant that supports the vision - so much so that the University is willing to provide land *and* pay for construction of a trail.

That being said, it's a bit hard for me to understand why this article is so negative towards the University... why aren't they directing their ire toward Union Pacific railroad?

I'm 100% in favor of making the NP Greenway a reality, but it's frustrating that advocates of it are treating a willing partner like the University so harshly. Especially considering UP has spent millions rehabilitating a huge piece of formerly polluted industrial property.

Would they prefer the old creosote plant and no trail at all?
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Post by up7587 on Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:17 pm

I live near the Springwater Trail. It has become a serious problem, due to the number homeless campers using that right of way. Last year, the Hood To Coast runners ran in the streets rather than run on the trail at night. Perhaps UP would be wise to go slow on the NPG trail.
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Post by Stonehouse on Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:02 pm

pilotram wrote:Love it. What's with the soccer field in the middle? Very Happy

Follow up on this... I heard that the plan *is* to include full field facilities with jumping pits, throwing circles, etc. The renderings just don't show that.
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