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Post by up7587 on Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:03 am

Watching the World Cup in 2018 will be stress free; there will be no U.S. team to worry about. A terrible finish to the CONCACAF play saw the U.S. drop from being an expected automatic qualifier to being left out.
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Post by SouthCarolinaPilot on Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:06 am

That whole system failed. I have so many questions left after last night's dreadful and embarrassing performance. Why were most of those players still on the team (i.e., Howard, Bradley, etc. are past their prime already)? Where are our developing youth players who should have been on the team already? Why was there no sense of urgency the entire match? Do we keep Arena? Do we keep Gulati? How do we fix MLS and our development to make better players (college soccer is likely out of the equation)? Should we just be forcing all of our talent to play overseas? How will the missing exposure and revenue impact soccer's growth in the US, the women's national team, and youth teams? + x9 + ... + xn

I think we are realizing the impact of missing the last two Olympics with our U-23s.
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Post by aleppiek on Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:13 am

The thing that has struck me for years with Klinsmann and Arena both, is that we seem content to allow other nations to dictate the style of play. We have no US Soccer "Style" and "system", we play based on the system of those nations we face. Sometimes one up top, sometimes two, sometimes with Pulisic on the wing, others with him central, sometimes with a deep set CDM sometimes with the CDM playing more of a CM. And for gods sake, what do we have to do to develop some legitimate Center Backs?
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Post by Stonehouse on Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:11 pm

What the heck do I know, but I think one of the biggest problems in the USA is that youth soccer as a whole does a terrible job at identifying and developing talent. It's largely a "pay-to-play" system, which severely limits the number of kids (including a disproportionate amount of immigrants and children of immigrants who come from more soccer-friendly cultures) who progress up the ranks and get the proper coaching necessary to develop into national team caliber players.

Of course there are plenty of examples of scholarships and programs that do reach out to those communities, but still... I'm pretty sure America is the only country in the world where competitive soccer is a rich kid's sport.
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Re: 2018 World Cup

Post by up7587 on Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:58 am

There may be (are) problems with the U.S. soccer development programs.  A big issue is that the best American athletes don't play soccer.  They play basketball or football.

Bottom line, the U.S. players were better players individually than the Trinidad & Tobago players, but as a team they played poorly.  Time to clean house. And their coaching has to take a lot of blame.

Here's an article with a familiar name: sbnation.com/usa-soccer-next-usmnt-coach
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Post by blacksheep on Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:05 am

The top athletes in this country don't play soccer. They play basketball, football, and baseball. Those sports are much more popular and the potential to make big money for the top players is much greater than soccer. In many other countries, the top athletes all play soccer. I hate to tell all you soccer fans out there, but that isn't changing any time soon.

I don't understand why soccer needs to be a rich kids sport. It only requires a field and a ball. Look at the number of inner city kids playing football, which is a much more expensive sport to play.
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Post by Stonehouse on Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:26 am

blacksheep wrote:I don't understand why soccer needs to be a rich kids sport.  It only requires a field and a ball.  Look at the number of inner city kids playing football, which is a much more expensive sport to play.

Oh, it doesn't *need* to be. And there are plenty of rec leagues that aren't prohibitively expensive, similar to Little League and YMCA basketball and all of that.

The trick is the more elite club soccer leagues, which have huge fees for signing up and big travel expenses and all of that.

I would much prefer a system like many countries have in which the professional leagues have youth development academies. Kids don't have to pay, because the clubs have the rights to them and/or a stake in their future financial earnings if they go to a different club. An imperfect system that introduced its own share of problems? Of course. But at least it opens up access to the best coaches and facilities to all kids, not just kids who can afford it.

Problem is, a system like that is bad news for youth soccer clubs, high school soccer, college soccer, etc. Which is why the MLS has had a tough time implementing it. (FC Dallas a notable exception.)

My point is this - understanding that youth soccer in the USA doesn't attract the best athletes (as pointed out, they go toward basketball and football), then it's crucial that the net be cast as wide as possible and not just limited to kids who are lucky enough to have parents who can afford access.
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