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Post by DoubleDipper on Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:12 pm

The official release from UP http://www.portlandpilots.com/news/2012/11/17/MBB_1117123232.aspx?path=mbball does not mention the suspension of Dorian......I’m going to assume they’ve just stopped reporting it.....but hope for something better. Twisted Evil

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Re: Pilots vs. Portland State (Wednesday, Nov. 21 @ 7:00)

Post by Guest on Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:18 pm

The issue with the better ball movement and being more quick to react and shoot is that we already have a turnover problem. We do not want to exacerbate that by suddenly pushing a faster offense, which, I might add, tends to lead to more TOs if not executed correctly.

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Post by DoubleDipper on Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:11 pm

If the Pilots are looking to score tomorrow night against PSU, maybe they should shoot more; it worked for Grinnell's Jack Taylor (from the Boston Globe):

Jack Taylor scored 138 points to shatter the NCAA scoring record in Division 3 Grinnell’s 179-104 victory over Faith Baptist Bible Tuesday night in Grinnell, Iowa.

Taylor made 27 of 71 3-point attempts, was 52 of 108 overall from the field, and added 7 free throws on 10 attempts in 36 minutes.

‘‘It felt like anything I tossed up was going in,’’ said Taylor, a 5-foot-10-inch sophomore guard from Black River Falls, Wis.

Rio Grande’s Bevo Francis held the NCAA scoring record with 113 points against Hillsdale in 1954. In 1953, Francis had 116 against Ashland Junior College. Frank Selvy is the only other player to reach triple figures, scoring 100 points for Division 1 Furman against Newberry in 1954.

Taylor averaged 23.5 points in Grinnell’s first two games this season but had hit only 6 of 41 3-pointers in two games over the weekend.

Under coach David Arseneault, the Pioneers shoot threes like nobody else in the country at any level. They’ve led the nation in scoring for 17 of the past 19 seasons while ranking first nationally in 3-point shooting for the 15 of those past 19 years.

Taylor’s feat attracted attention at all levels of basketball. Carmelo Anthony and the New York Knicks were amazed when they heard about it after their victory in New Orleans.

‘‘I never heard of nothing like that. That’s like a video game,’’ Anthony said, an incredulous look on his face. ‘‘How can you shoot 100 times, though?’’
Taylor scored 80 points in the second half!

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Re: Pilots vs. Portland State (Wednesday, Nov. 21 @ 7:00)

Post by Geezaldinho on Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:32 pm

The way you get a lot of shots is to not play defense.

I am hesitant that this would be good strategy. Suspect

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Re: Pilots vs. Portland State (Wednesday, Nov. 21 @ 7:00)

Post by DoubleDipper on Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:36 pm

PurpleGeezer wrote:The way you get a lot of shots is to not play defense.

I am hesitant that this would be good strategy. Suspect
But it could be FUN (for a change). bounce

Gotta think positive!!

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Re: Pilots vs. Portland State (Wednesday, Nov. 21 @ 7:00)

Post by Geezaldinho on Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:38 pm

Ok,

I'm positive it's not a good idea rimshot

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Re: Pilots vs. Portland State (Wednesday, Nov. 21 @ 7:00)

Post by Geezaldinho on Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:39 pm

This avatar thing is interesting.

I'm starting to think like Walter.

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Re: Pilots vs. Portland State (Wednesday, Nov. 21 @ 7:00)

Post by DoubleDipper on Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:13 pm

PurpleGeezer wrote:This avatar thing is interesting.

I'm starting to think like Walter.
Ha ha, you're NOT JUST THINKING LIKE WALTER.........

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Re: Pilots vs. Portland State (Wednesday, Nov. 21 @ 7:00)

Post by Geezaldinho on Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:56 pm

Put that cleaver down.

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Re: Pilots vs. Portland State (Wednesday, Nov. 21 @ 7:00)

Post by Guest on Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:49 am

DoubleDipper wrote:Taylor made 27 of 71 3-point attempts, was 52 of 108 overall from the field, and added 7 free throws on 10 attempts in 36 minutes.

‘‘It felt like anything I tossed up was going in,’’ said Taylor, a 5-foot-10-inch sophomore guard from Black River Falls, Wis.

Grinnell/Faith Baptist Box Score

Anything you tossed up was going in? Yeah, except for less than half your shots?

Am I the only one that sees anything wrong with this...team's up by 60 points with five minutes left and Grinnell is still running what I can only assume is five-man full-court pressure and jacking up three balls on every possession?

Whole situation smells of being a contrived farce designed to (successfully) get on ESPN and dominate Twitter. Faith Baptist isn't even NCAA Div 3 (they're NCCAA Div II, same as UP's upcoming opponents Portland Bible) and they haven't won a game yet this year.

So congrats, Grinnell coach. Mission accomplished.

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Post by Guest on Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:52 am

Pilots down to 242 from 239 in the Pomeroy rankings today.

You know you're off to a bit of a rough start when wins by Monmouth and Campbell send you hurtling down the rankings!

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Re: Pilots vs. Portland State (Wednesday, Nov. 21 @ 7:00)

Post by Guest on Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:58 am

Check the ESPN Story out. Apparently, they run an offense where you need to shoot within 12 seconds of the shot clock starting if I heard that correctly. And the sub in 3 teams of 5 players every 30 seconds or so. Also, I saw this good joke in the comments...

What is the difference between Jack Taylor and Time?

Time passes.

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Re: Pilots vs. Portland State (Wednesday, Nov. 21 @ 7:00)

Post by up7587 on Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:23 am

Shooting 15% (6 of 41) going in, and the coach lets him throw up 71 3p attempts? And 108 total attempts? That's what they call a shooter's conscience, for sure.

The other four starters only got 9 shots total. Wonder how the coach keeps the rest of the team happy? They don't get to shoot, but they don't have to play defense. boxscore

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Re: Pilots vs. Portland State (Wednesday, Nov. 21 @ 7:00)

Post by DaTruRochin on Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:52 am

http://deadspin.com/5962514/d+iii-players-138-point+game-is-a-sham-record-and-shouldnt-be-celebrated-by-anyone

You guys aren't the only ones unamused by the situation.... Basically a full court press, but if they don't get the ball they just let the other team score so they can get the ball back to their shooter as quickly as possible. Hahahaha and if the other team breaks the press the "shooter" doesn't go back on defense so his teammates get to run 4 v 5.... A total joke.

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Re: Pilots vs. Portland State (Wednesday, Nov. 21 @ 7:00)

Post by Guest on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:04 am

From Rochin's link -

"The announcer actually said that Grinnell will look on their schedule for their weaker opponents and do everything they can to run up the score and break records."

I just had the tin foil hat on earlier, I didn't think the point of them intentionally selecting a weak opponent to do this would actually be "proven".

What a joke is right.

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Re: Pilots vs. Portland State (Wednesday, Nov. 21 @ 7:00)

Post by Geezaldinho on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:39 am

DaTruRochin wrote:http://deadspin.com/5962514/d+iii-players-138-point+game-is-a-sham-record-and-shouldnt-be-celebrated-by-anyone

You guys aren't the only ones unamused by the situation.... Basically a full court press, but if they don't get the ball they just let the other team score so they can get the ball back to their shooter as quickly as possible. Hahahaha and if the other team breaks the press the "shooter" doesn't go back on defense so his teammates get to run 4 v 5.... A total joke.

sounds like LMU in the old days.

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Re: Pilots vs. Portland State (Wednesday, Nov. 21 @ 7:00)

Post by NoPoNeighbor on Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:56 am

RipCityPilot wrote:The issue with the better ball movement and being more quick to react and shoot is that we already have a turnover problem. We do not want to exacerbate that by suddenly pushing a faster offense, which, I might add, tends to lead to more TOs if not executed correctly.
I'd argue that our turnovers are precisely a RESULT OF the slow offense, telegraphed passes, passivity, etc. Our opponents know what we're going to do with the ball before we do, which makes it pretty darn easy to steal passes, block shots, draw charges, etc. I don't know how many times, just in the three games so far this season, that I've watched a play developing and thought, "that pass should definitely NOT be made," and then watched the pass be made (ususally a lazy, slow, floating pass) and, predictably, intercepted or knocked away by the opponent.

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Re: Pilots vs. Portland State (Wednesday, Nov. 21 @ 7:00)

Post by PurplePrideTrumpet on Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:42 pm

up7587 wrote:Shooting 15% (6 of 41) going in, and the coach lets him throw up 71 3p attempts? And 108 total attempts? That's what they call a shooter's conscience, for sure.

The other four starters only got 9 shots total. Wonder how the coach keeps the rest of the team happy? They don't get to shoot, but they don't have to play defense. boxscore

Meh. The really impressive line is Faith Baptist Bible's Jake Larson, 70 points on 34-44 shooting.

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Re: Pilots vs. Portland State (Wednesday, Nov. 21 @ 7:00)

Post by PurplePrideTrumpet on Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:48 pm

NoPoNeighbor wrote:
RipCityPilot wrote:The issue with the better ball movement and being more quick to react and shoot is that we already have a turnover problem. We do not want to exacerbate that by suddenly pushing a faster offense, which, I might add, tends to lead to more TOs if not executed correctly.
I'd argue that our turnovers are precisely a RESULT OF the slow offense, telegraphed passes, passivity, etc. Our opponents know what we're going to do with the ball before we do, which makes it pretty darn easy to steal passes, block shots, draw charges, etc. I don't know how many times, just in the three games so far this season, that I've watched a play developing and thought, "that pass should definitely NOT be made," and then watched the pass be made (ususally a lazy, slow, floating pass) and, predictably, intercepted or knocked away by the opponent.

I would tend to agree with this. What really drove me nuts in the ISU game was the number of lobs into the paint. Most of them became TOs. I don't think any of them turned into baskets. Maybe if you let them run a little, they won't have time to think too hard about the "right" pass. It seems like the longer they're out there without running a play the more tentative they get.

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Re: Pilots vs. Portland State (Wednesday, Nov. 21 @ 7:00)

Post by Guest on Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:52 pm

From Greg Crawford... http://www.csnnw.com/pages/landing3?Thoughts-On-The-Big-Ten-Pac-12-And-D-1-B=1&blockID=803953&feedID=10492

The Battle---Ok, it the city battle for D-1 basketball supremacy in the hometown of Comcast SportsNet and CSNNW.com, this Wednesday, Portland State travels to U of Portland. The game should be sold out easily in a 4,800 seat arena, it will not be even close to that. Not to mention these two schools in even bad traffic are a 25 minute bus ride apart and they should be playing twice per year in these tough economic times. As suggested in my Crawford's Court, last Friday (November 16th), the first of the two games each year, should also be an outdoor game. We are Oregonians, we always have a back-up for rain, just do it. And my final rant about this game, why play it the day before Thanksgiving, when all the students are gone, plus many people have other plans. There had to be two other dates to get this thing done that were compatible to both sides.

This game should be a rivalry of huge proportions, it barely measures on the scale right now. It can turn into a huge rivalry, there just needs to be lots of thought into it, there needs to be a corporate sponsor (with a marketing team at both schools of good people, you mean to say they can't get a corporate sponsor) and it needs to be part of the basketball culture in the city, it is not right now. Actually, probably a few people get sick of me writing about U of Portland and Portland State basketball, but I love the people at both schools, I love the gorgeous settings of both schools and both schools have good coaches. For some reason however, both schools outside of the Pokey Allen days of football at Portland State and the women's soccer program at U of Portland never seem to get the mojo going when it comes to college athletics and drawing fans to their games.

By the way, final score Wednesday night, U of Portland 67 Portland State 66 in overtime, in what will be a thrilling game, which many will miss, sadly.

Mac's Message---" Coach McClouskey, with the U of Portland game coming up on Wednesday night, how important is it for the Vikings to own the city, I know Crawford likes to build this game up as a rivalry, but I do not see this as a budding rivalry", Jim---Portland, Oregon.

"Jim, first of all thanks for your question and interest in Vikings basketball. As we get to the Thanksgiving holiday, I am thankful to you and Michael Wolf for reminding me who we play on Wednesday, the 21st. Without Michael's ability to multi-task, I would have not made it to the Chiles Center.

I don't know if you own the city of Portland if you win this game, but it is important to both schools. Last year, when there was date conflicts and we were not able to play it, it did cause lots of chatter so people obviously missed this game. All city rivalries are important and I have to side with CRAW on this one, it is a good, respectful rivalry.

It may not be Cincinnati/Xavier where things got out of hand or a big FIVE game between LaSalle and St. Joes in Philly, but it means a lot to players and staffs of both schools.

I know this for sure, it means so much, I am re-reading this writing several times, so I don't write anything that will get on Coach Reveno's board in the Chiles Center. The University of Portland is a REALLY good program, coached by a really good coach and they have really good players and Michael Wolf is a really, really good writer. One has to respect private school guys, despite the rivalry.

See you all in the Chiles Center on Wednesday. Enjoy the game and Happy Thanksgiving. Thanks Jim and Craw", Assistant coach McClouskey, Portland State men's basketball.

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Post by Guest on Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:01 pm

up7587 wrote:Shooting 15% (6 of 41) going in, and the coach lets him throw up 71 3p attempts? And 108 total attempts? That's what they call a shooter's conscience, for sure.

I'm pretty sure Jared Stohl did not have that kind of green light... and he had a green light, too!

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Re: Pilots vs. Portland State (Wednesday, Nov. 21 @ 7:00)

Post by Woodless! on Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:34 pm

I saw Grinnell play Monmouth College when I was back in graduate school. It was a circus. I love it when they make the news. They usually don't make it very far into the D3 tourney. They are all pretty scrappy and from what I can remember 75% play another sport (football or baseball).

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Re: Pilots vs. Portland State (Wednesday, Nov. 21 @ 7:00)

Post by DoubleDipper on Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:38 pm

Woodless! wrote:I saw Grinnell play Monmouth College when I was back in graduate school. It was a circus. I love it when they make the news. They usually don't make it very far into the D3 tourney. They are all pretty scrappy and from what I can remember 75% play another sport (football or baseball).
Seriously, YOU were in graduate school? Razz

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Re: Pilots vs. Portland State (Wednesday, Nov. 21 @ 7:00)

Post by DoubleDipper on Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:16 pm

Sports Media is picking the Vikings over the Pilots:
Against the Ducks on the road in Eugene now more than a week ago, the Vikings fell behind immediately and were never able to recover as they dropped the double-digit decision at Matthew Knight Arena. Trying to keep the visitors close were Dre Winston and Renado Parker with 15 points apiece, while fellow starters Aaron Moore and LaTeff McMullan checked in with nine points apiece. The team shot a decent 45.3 percent from the field and was 17-of-19 at the free-throw line, but 15 turnovers and just four three-pointers while Oregon knocked down 9-of-19 on the perimeter. Winston, who has at least held a share of the scoring lead in both games thus far, paces the team overall with 15.5 ppg as he shoots a staggering 78.6 percent from the floor. Parker and Moore add another 11.5 and 11.0 ppg, respectively, for a unit that has made good on 50.5 percent from the field.

Against Montana State, the Pilots hit on an impressive 57.1 percent from the field in the first half, but still the team trailed by double figures at the break. Unfortunately, Portland had far too much trouble keeping control of the ball, turning it over 19 times, and just could not get comfortable on the perimeter where they hit just 3-of-14 shot attempts. Kevin Bailey and Thomas van der Mars both tallied 13 points for the visitors, the former shooting 5- of-8 from the floor before picking up his fifth personal foul. For a team that is putting up a mere 55.7 ppg in the early going, Bailey is second on the unit with his 11.3 ppg, trailing only Ryan Nicholas who is putting up 15.7 ppg despite shooting only 1-of-7 behind the three-point line. As a group, Portland's perimeter presence has been awful at both ends of the floor as the team itself shoots just 24.4 percent but at the defensive end has permitted the opposition to knock down 43.6 percent of their chances.

More often than not, rivalry games such as this take on a personality all their own, regardless of how the teams are playing heading into the meeting. However, with as poorly as Portland has performed out on the perimeter thus far, that might be enough of a difference to get the Vikings the win.

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Re: Pilots vs. Portland State (Wednesday, Nov. 21 @ 7:00)

Post by DoubleDipper on Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:20 pm

Las Vegas now has the Pilots by 3.5.

Have to go with my head over my heart; I personally pick the Vikings by 14……….easy money! Evil or Very Mad

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