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Post by Guest on Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:37 pm

He was convicted on 45 of 48 counts and will spend the rest of his life in jail... This is a catastrophe for the reputation of Penn State.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8087028/penn-state-nittany-lions-jerry-sandusky-convicted-45-counts-sex-abuse-trial

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Post by Geezaldinho on Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:46 pm

No, this verdict is just very bad for Penn State. Much of the damage to the university's reputation has already occurred. The catastrophe would have been if the seven jurors with ties to Penn State had acquitted him.

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Post by PilotNut on Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:17 am

Another catastrophe here is that he was able to get away with this for over a decade, while multiple people/witnesses did not appropriately handle or report the actions to authorities...

Protecting a football team was more important?

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Post by DoubleDipper on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:17 am

PilotNut wrote:Another catastrophe here is that he was able to get away with this for over a decade, while multiple people/witnesses did not appropriately handle or report the actions to authorities...

Protecting a football team was more important?
Well said! How could so many look the other way during this entire tragedy? How could so many be vindictive against witnesses and victims? How could so many put their "love" of a school's sports team be higher than their love of humanity and human decency?

Let's not think something like this happens only at Penn State. Each of us has a duty to protect those who cannot protect themselves.

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Post by Geezaldinho on Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:21 am

Well, some Penn State folks didn't look the other way.

A Penn State assistant reported one incident to Authorities. They just didn't do anything.

And it was 24 year old Penn State grad Sarah Gerim who doggedly pursued the story, found and interviewed victims, and made a case the State could not ignore. She did it well before the National Media paid attention. If not for the work of this Penn State grad the case might not ever have been brought to trial.

She and her colleagues rightfully got a Pulitzer for the story.

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Post by DoubleDipper on Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:54 pm

The Joe Paterno statue is GONE….that’s a good start.

Now industry sources are saying the NCAA will fine Penn State at least $30 million and perhaps as much as $60 million, with the money going toward an endowment for children's causes. (To put a fine of that order in perspective, Penn State's athletic department had $116 million in revenue for the 2010-11 school year according to public records).

I guess we’ll find out soon if there will be significant penalties levied that could severely damage the football program's ability to compete.

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Post by Geezaldinho on Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:05 pm

One report says
The university is bracing for what the N.C.A.A. is calling “corrective and punitive measures” that are expected to handicap the football program for years. While the specific findings will be released at a news conference at N.C.A.A. headquarters in Indianapolis on Monday morning, a person briefed on the sanctions said that the N.C.A.A. would issue a postseason bowl ban, a number of scholarship reductions and a stiff financial penalty. It is also expected that players in the program will have the freedom to transfer, essentially creating free agency for other programs to approach them.

The fine seems like nothing. Penn state raise over $200 million in a few months to finance football related funding last time. They have very deep pockets a think allowing players to transfer is a step, but it is pretty late in the game for many to do that. Perhaps if PSU were made to pay for the education of those players wherever they went, perhaps out of the remaining scholarships.


I looks like they have a ready made space for a memorial to the victims of child abuse.



It's scheduled for 9:00 AM Eastern. Now I have to decide if I want to get up early.

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Post by DaTruRochin on Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:15 am

$60 Million fine, 4 year post season ban, reduction in scholarships and 14 years of vacated wins?

That IS a lot of money and good things could come from that (But relative to annual income seems kind of paltry)

The post season ban, I don't know, kind of rings hollow, but DOES affect PSU's ability to recruit, as does the reduction in scholarships.

The vacated wins are purely symbolic and does nothing more than knock Paterno down the all time winningest coaches list.

I mean it seems like a lot... but at the same time it only really punishes the school for a few years and the legacy of a dead man (That was already completely trashed). It all rings a little hollow to me.

At least players may transfer as they see fit and play immediately, but yeesh, seems a little late in the game for that... You have to wonder if they will also allow extra red shirts for those that can't find a place immediately.

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Post by pilotram on Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:15 am

Sounds like the type of thing they'd hand out for recruiting violations or paying players.
When a tough decision had to be made, the NCAA did the same as Penn State.

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Re: Jerry Sandusky

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Re: Jerry Sandusky

Post by Geezaldinho on Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:54 am

PSU loses the bowl revenues for 4 years also, so the revenue loss is an additional potential $13 million, which brings the total to $73 million


They loose 10 scholarships next year, then 20 per year for 4 years. (90 total)

That is about what a FBS school has to give a year, so they effectively loose a class.

Penn state has fewer scholarships to give than our local PSU.

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Post by DaTruRochin on Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:19 am

Buuuut they also have the tradition/boosters to see them through that PdxState cannot even dream to fathom...

It will be curious how this will affects other sports as they compensate for the loss of revenue from football... Say non-revenue sports like women's soccer....

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Post by Geezaldinho on Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:22 am

Here is the NCAA release:

By perpetuating a “football first” culture that ultimately enabled serial child sexual abuse to occur, The Pennsylvania State University leadership failed to value and uphold institutional integrity, resulting in a breach of the NCAA Constitution and rules. The NCAA Division I Board of Directors and NCAA Executive Committee directed Association president Mark Emmert to examine the circumstances and determine appropriate action in consultation with these presidential bodies.
“As we evaluated the situation, the victims affected by Jerry Sandusky and the efforts by many to conceal his crimes informed our actions,” said Emmert. “At our core, we are educators. Penn State leadership lost sight of that.”

According to the NCAA conclusions and sanctions, the Freeh Report “presents an unprecedented failure of institutional integrity leading to a culture in which a football program was held in higher esteem than the values of the institution, the values of the NCAA, the values of higher education, and most disturbingly the values of human decency.”

As a result, the NCAA imposed a $60 million sanction on the university, which is equivalent to the average gross annual revenue of the football program. These funds must be paid into an endowment for external programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims and may not be used to fund such programs at the university.

The sanctions also include a four-year football postseason ban and a vacation of all wins from 1998 through 2011. The career record of former head football coach Joe Paterno will reflect these vacated records. Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period. In addition, the NCAA reserves the right to impose additional sanctions on involved individuals at the conclusion of any criminal proceedings.

The NCAA recognizes that student-athletes are not responsible for these events and worked to minimize the impact of its sanctions on current and incoming football student-athletes. Any entering or returning student-athlete will be allowed to immediately transfer and compete at another school. Further, any football student-athletes who remain at the university may retain their scholarships, regardless of whether they compete on the team.

To further integrate the athletics department into the university, Penn State will be required to enter into an “Athletics Integrity Agreement” with the NCAA. It also must adopt all Freeh Report recommendations and appoint an independent, NCAA-selected Athletics Integrity Monitor, who will oversee compliance with the agreement.

Effective immediately, the university faces five years of probation. Specifically, the university is subject to more severe penalties if it does not adhere to these requirements or violates NCAA rules in any sport during this time period.

“There has been much speculation on whether or not the NCAA has the authority to impose any type of penalty related to Penn State,” said Ed Ray, Executive Committee chair and Oregon State president. “This egregious behavior not only goes against our rules and Constitution, but also against our values.”

Because Penn State accepted the Freeh Report factual findings, which the university itself commissioned, the NCAA determined traditional investigative proceedings would be redundant and unnecessary.

“We cannot look to NCAA history to determine how to handle circumstances so disturbing, shocking and disappointing,” said Emmert. “As the individuals charged with governing college sports, we have a responsibility to act. These events should serve as a call to every single school and athletics department to take an honest look at its campus environment and eradicate the ‘sports are king' mindset that can so dramatically cloud the judgment of educators.”

Penn State fully cooperated with the NCAA on this examination of the issues and took decisive action in removing individuals in leadership who were culpable.

“The actions already taken by the new Penn State Board of Trustees chair Karen Peetz and Penn State president Rodney Erickson have demonstrated a strong desire and determination to take the steps necessary for Penn State to right these severe wrongs,” said Emmert.

I saw a report yesterday that claimed PSU was on board with the sanctions and will not contest them.

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Post by Geezaldinho on Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:44 am

DaTruRochin wrote:
It will be curious how this will affects other sports as they compensate for the loss of revenue from football... Say non-revenue sports like women's soccer....

According to the NCAA official report on penalties and sanctions, not at all:

no current sponsored athletic team may be reduced or eliminated in order to fund this fine

http://s3.amazonaws.com/ncaa/files/20120723/21207236PDF.pdf

Growth s another issue, I guess.

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Post by PilotNut on Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:01 am

the Big 10 adds the following punishments:

The school receives censure from the league, which amounts to an official condemnation of the actions of its adminstrators since 1998.

The athletic department will be on probation for five years.

The football team is ineligible for the Big Ten championship game for the next four years.

The school is ineligible to share in the conference's bowl game revenue for the next four years, amounting to an estimated $13 million.

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Post by Geezaldinho on Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:09 am

the university is obligated to release any student to play at another school immediately, and to honor scholarships for existing players at Penn State whether or not they chose to continue playing football for Penn State as long as they remain academically eligible.

the NCAA report on sanctions also mentions a consent decree, so PENN state was already aware of, and agreed to, everything there. they also agreed that the Freeh report is factual and that they can comment on, but not contest, any future sanctions that may arise from further investigations

all student athletes and athletic department staff and the board of trustees must undergo annual training on reporting responsibilities.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/ncaa/files/20120723/21207236PDF.pdf

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Re: Jerry Sandusky

Post by Guest on Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:02 am

Let's start the discussion:

I like that the NCAA did not impose the death penalty. I don't think it is fair to the student-athletes that had nothing to do with these violations. I don't think it would have been fair to the businesses (hotels, bars, restaurants, ushers, stadium folk, etc.) that make money from people that go to games.

I do not like the fact that the NCAA vacated all of the wins. That just punishes the student-athletes in my opinion. They won (and possibly would have won) all of those games regardless of what had happened to Joe Paterno, Jerry Sandusky, and company. The fact of the matter is that they won those games and conference championships that I do not think that they should be taken away from them.

The rest of the penalties I completely understand, but I think the loss of scholarships is a bit much. If I made the decision it would have been probation, loss of eligibility for the future, and a larger fine.

Lastly, the NCAA did it right when it offered students the option to transfer elsewhere with no transfer penalty or wait period.

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Post by Geezaldinho on Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:25 am

The consent decree vacates wins. It says nothing about vacating the personal records of the athletes.

I think the vacating wins and championships was aimed squarely at Paterno and the athletic program.

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Post by Guest on Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:38 am

How about this though... Penn State will probably have to remove any banners or numbering from its facilities and give back trophies that proclaim that they won those conference titles or bowl victories. I do not think that it is fair to those student-athletes that they cannot see those celebrated.

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Post by Geezaldinho on Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:56 am

Keep trying. Those students have press clippings and personal awards from those wins they can keep.

The alternative is to declare that covering up buggering children is a path to championships.

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Post by DaTruRochin on Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:03 pm

How does a trinket or a banner that is held in a university office in the middle of nowhere Pennsylvania affecting former student athletes, if they won anything they will have rings and record books and other memorabilia that serve that same purpose? Stripping those wins/banners/trophies goes straight at the Paterno legacy and the football program, not the athletes.

The fact of the matter is the institution and the coaches allowed the abuse to occurred and did nothing about it, and the institution is being punished thusly. Because of that the school cannot proclaim any accolades that may have been drawn during that era or use it to drum up donations, recruits or whatever.

A player can still show off his jersey or his bowl championship rings or whatever, but allowing the football team/university to market those wins and trophies that occurred with so much darkness underneath would be a constant reminder of the era. Letting them keep those accolades on record would be disingenuous at best, but probably much worse.


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Post by PilotNut on Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:17 pm

PurpleGeezer wrote:The alternative is to declare that covering up buggering children is a path to championships.

I agree... while it is unfortunate that the "innocent" student athletes (current & former) will be penalized here, these actions are necessary to punish and influence future behavior at Penn St. and every other NCAA institution. Covering up illegal activity, and then gaining from it (wins, revenue, etc) absolutely cannot be tolerated, and the NCAA needed to send a loud and clear message here, which I believe they have done.

I cant imagine too many players will transfer prior to this season, due to the short time to find another home and finding a home with available scholarships... but after this season, who knows.

This should be a moment for every coach, player, administrator, student-athlete, student, alum and fan of every team in the country (regardless of sport or level) to evaluate priorities, ask questions and to remain vigilant and not tolerate illegal/immoral behavior. Period.

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Post by DoubleDipper on Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:19 pm

PurpleGeezer wrote:I think the vacating wins and championships was aimed squarely at Paterno and the athletic program.
The alternative is to declare that covering up buggering children is a path to championships.
And that's really the bottom line!

The student athletes at Penn State have the chance to transfer or remain at Penn State with scholarships. The children buggered by Sandusky, who was protected by Paterno and other administrators, HAD NO CHANCE then, and still have no chance today for normal lives.

Paterno is dead, Sandusky will die in jail, but there are still a number of individuals with ties to Penn State who should be severely punished for their “blind-eye cover-up.” The NCAA has no power to go after them; it had to go after the university.

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Post by Guest on Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:52 pm

I don't think you all are putting yourself in the shoes of a former football player from the early 2000s. How would you feel?

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Post by Geezaldinho on Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:54 pm

I'd feel pretty ashamed of my university.

I'd also feel that my good vibes are perhaps not the most important loss here.

How should I feel?

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