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Post by Guest on Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:39 pm

See article: Oregonian Link

I like the whole idea of simplifying the rules and making the penalties tougher. It would be a good step forward for the NCAA (AKA Kings of Confusing Rules). Of course the Oregonian interviewed the Oregon State President. But, Fr. Beauchamp (UP's president) was there too and I am curious on his thoughts on this considering that UP is a much, much smaller school compared to... well... all of the other Division I schools. All of these recent scandals really tarnish the image of their respective schools and the NCAA.

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Re: NCAA "Presidential Retreat"

Post by Guest on Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:58 pm


http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6853878/ncaa-committee-approves-increase-apr-cutline

First, tough change for the NCAA. I feel like college athletes might actually have to go to class at some other schools. Good job by the NCAA.

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Post by blacksheep on Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:23 pm

RipCityPilot wrote:
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6853878/ncaa-committee-approves-increase-apr-cutline

First, tough change for the NCAA. I feel like college athletes might actually have to go to class at some other schools. Good job by the NCAA.

The solution is to recruit at least one smart guy to sit on the bench, go to class and graduate for each one and done player. I mean how hard is a 50% graduation rate?


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Post by Geezaldinho on Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:00 pm

The baseball team didn't hit 930 in 2005.

Scared to look at Michael's round ball teams.....

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Post by Guest on Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:36 pm

Purplegeezer wrote:The baseball team didn't hit 930 in 2005.

Scared to look at Michael's round ball teams.....

Luckily the lowest score for UP's teams is currently 968 in men's soccer. Men's basketball is at 969, and that is probably the walk-ons that quit and the two people that transferred. UP looks to be in good shape.

The whole "if implemented today, UConn wouldn't be able to defend its basketball championship" is HUGE, in my opinion.

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Post by blacksheep on Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:41 pm

Purplegeezer wrote:The baseball team didn't hit 930 in 2005.

Scared to look at Michael's round ball teams.....

Men's Basketball University of Portland OR 2004 - 2005 973
Men's Basketball University of Portland OR 2005 - 2006 969
Men's Basketball University of Portland OR 2006 - 2007 957
Men's Basketball University of Portland OR 2007 - 2008 953
Men's Basketball University of Portland OR 2008 - 2009 959
Men's Basketball University of Portland OR 2009 - 2010 969

I'm not sure how it all works, but it looks like he wasn't as bad as you thought.

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Post by Geezaldinho on Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:23 pm

blacksheep wrote:
Purplegeezer wrote:The baseball team didn't hit 930 in 2005.

Scared to look at Michael's round ball teams.....

Men's Basketball University of Portland OR 2004 - 2005 973
Men's Basketball University of Portland OR 2005 - 2006 969
Men's Basketball University of Portland OR 2006 - 2007 957
Men's Basketball University of Portland OR 2007 - 2008 953
Men's Basketball University of Portland OR 2008 - 2009 959
Men's Basketball University of Portland OR 2009 - 2010 969

I'm not sure how it all works, but it looks like he wasn't as bad as you thought.

Actually, that was a little bit of a joke. They didnt start tracking APR in the cumulative system until 2005.

But the NCAA presidents report does make the correlation that the GSR does correlate that a 930 APR roughly corresponds to a 50% GSR.

That doesn look so good for Michael (or Rob). The federal government started tracking GSR (Graduation success rate) In the 1990's. the NCAA didnt like how the feds figured it, so they keep their own tally, but neither method looks all that great either for Michael or for Rob before him.
(GSR is the NCAA version, FSR is the Federal version, which is more rigid)

the years listed are the years players entered school.

........................................................................................................GSR FGR
2003 University of Portland West Coast Conference Men's Basketball OR 80 57
2002 University of Portland West Coast Conference Men's Basketball OR 58 54
2001 University of Portland West Coast Conference Men's Basketball OR 40 33
2000 University of Portland West Coast Conference Men's Basketball OR 38 33
1999 University of Portland West Coast Conference Men's Basketball OR 36 20
1998 University of Portland West Coast Conference Men's Basketball OR 73 38

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/newmedia/public/rates/index.html

Michael was UP coach from March 2001-2006

Rev, BTW, has 100% rate so far with the two classes he recruited and have been here 4 years.

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Re: NCAA "Presidential Retreat"

Post by Geezaldinho on Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:27 pm

here's the latest post from John Infante on the Bylaw Blog. he's the assistant compliance director at Clororado College. before that he wrote the blog while at the same possision at Colorado College and wrote under an assumed name. when he was discovered, he discontinued the blog bu was asked by the NCAA to com=ntinue it on their website.


Now Comes The Hard Part
AUGUST 11, 2011 BY JOHN INFANTE
The results of the NCAA’s Presidential Retreat exceeded even my wildest expectations. I expected clear topics to study with deadlines for proposals around this time next year. I never expected actual solutions to emerge, and the deadlines to flesh those solutions out into NCAA legislation beginning as soon as October.
Presidential initatives have a mixed history of success because once the presidents start down a path, most of the work is left to athletics administrators. They have their own mix of short- and long-term distractions, and hear more of the objections coming from coaches and boosters. Many a grandiose vision has failed to be reduced to a new group of words in the Division I Manual.
One of the main reasons the NCAA members struggle with this is that the governing of college athletics is mostly a part-time job. In fact, given that administrators and coaches who serve on NCAA committees are not paid for their service, calling it a hobby would not be too far off. This slows down processes of reform. It also means an athletic director who just listened to his football coach complain about losing recruits may show up and decide the fate of phone call deregulation.
In order to better seize moments like this when the NCAA members are geared up for reform and to great more of them, it’s time for the governing of college athletics to become a full-time job. To put it another way, the NCAA needs politicians.
Conferences would select someone to go live in Indianapolis and represent the conference full-time. That person would be paid by the NCAA and would serve a fixed term, maybe three or four years. The conference would need the NCAA’s approval to remove the legislator. This grants them a bit of independence.
These NCAA politicans would fulfill most of the functions currently carried out by staff members of NCAA member schools. They would vote on legislation, serve on committees, provide guidance to NCAA staff members, and hear appeals. They, along with outside members, would form the Committee on Infractions and Infractions Appeals Committee.
Instead of committees meeting three or four times a year in person, they could meet monthly, or even weekly. When urgent issues such as the preceived loophole in the Cam Newton case arise, they could be addressed in a matter of weeks, rather than having to wait roughly a year.
Two current groups in the rule-making structure would likely remain: an expanded Board of Directors including a president from every conference and the Leadership Council. But their jobs would no longer be to study issues and propose actual legislation. Their mission would be to give direction to Diviison I’s new congress. And all of the sport-specific committees would likely still remain.
The presidents have repaired a bit of the NCAA’s image, for now at least, by articulating a more detailed reform plan. Imagine the gains that could be made if everyone knew that representatives of those presidents were ready to tackle these issues full-time starting on Monday, rather than somewhat sporadically over the coming months.
The opinions expressed on this blog are the author’s and the author’s alone, and are not endorsed by the NCAA or any NCAA member institution or conference. This blog is not a substitute for a compliance office.

some things to come out of the Prez retreat have so far been revealed.

No eligibility for championships with an APR below 930.
If it extended to football: BYU, Louisville, Southern Miss, Tulsa, NCSU, Maryland, Michigan would have been ineligible for their bowl.

10 teams in Basketball, would have been ineligible in Basketball.
From just the East Regional, Syracuse, UAB, UTSA, and Alabama State would not have been eligible for last year's NCAA tournament.
From the West region, UConn would not have been able to compete in the tournament.
From the Southwest Regional: Florida State, USC, Morehead State, and St. Peters were all below 930.
And from the Southeast: UCSB would have been ineligible.

Also, it appears that Multi-year scholarships being offered is a possibility.

this all would be phased in in the 2014-2016 time span.




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More news on the retreat

Post by Geezaldinho on Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:49 pm

Publish date: Aug 12, 2011
Presidents Council moves forward with DII recruiting-contact changes

By David Pickle
NCAA.org

When the Division II membership convenes at the January Convention, it will vote on an important collection of proposals to change recruiting-contact legislation.

Meeting Thursday in Indianapolis, the Division II Presidents Council voted to sponsor legislation that would deregulate the number of permissible in-person, off-campus contacts; eliminate the distinction among various kinds of electronic media; and establish a common first contact date of June 15 before a prospect’s junior year for in-person and electronic-media contacts (including telephone calls, email and text messaging).

The proposals are a result of a Presidents Council charge to the Legislation Committee to identify and eliminate legislation that needlessly complicates administrative burden.

“I think we recognized that things change over time in terms of communication and that it’s time to review what we’re doing to see if it makes sense,” said Council chair Drew Bogner, president of Molloy College. “So in looking at those rules, we asked for a comprehensive look at legislation in terms of did it really protect student-athletes? And if it did, then we need to keep that in place. But if it didn’t, let’s look at if we can refine that so that we don’t have to bear additional compliance and enforcement issues.”

The proposals would make the following changes:

In-person, off-campus contacts. Current rule: No more than three contacts per prospect per academic year beginning June 15 before a prospect’s senior year in high school. Proposed rule: No restrictions on the number of contacts beginning June 15 before a prospect’s junior year in high school.
Telephone calls. Current rules: One call per week beginning June 15 before a prospect’s senior year in high school. Proposed rule: No limit on number or frequency of calls beginning June 15 before a prospect’s junior year in high school.
Email and faxes. Current rule: No limit on the number of frequency beginning Sept. 1 of a prospect’s junior year in high school. Proposed rule: No limit on number or frequency beginning June 15 before a prospect’s junior year in high school.
Instant messages, text messages, message boards. Current rule: No limit on number or frequency beginning the calendar day after the National Letter of Intent, other written commitment or financial deposit. Proposed rule: No limit on number or frequency beginning June 15 before a prospect’s junior year in high school.
In addition to easing rules-compliance burden, the presidents joined the Division II Management Council in believing that the changes would bring student-athlete recruitment more in line with the recruitment of students in general.

“As far as I’m concerned,” said Council vice chair Pat O’Brien, president of West Texas A&M University, we’re treating student-athletes the same as we’re treating other students at the university.”

Though no opposition to the proposals was registered at the Presidents Council meeting, the presidents did discuss whether eliminating restrictions and extending the contact period might open student-athletes up to unwanted visits, texts and emails from recruiters.

Bogner said the presidents would track that concern.

“I think we can certainly monitor whether we will inadvertently create a problem, though we’ll just have to see how that is,” he said. “But it is very difficult to monitor these things anyway. Experience would tell us that there are a lot of ways of getting around a lot of these rules if you really want to harass a student.”

There’s also sentiment that the proposed rule has a self-policing element – that Division II coaches who abuse their contact privileges likely would alienate recruits.

Division II Vice President Mike Racy told the presidents that Division II is comprehensively addressing the issue for the first time. The rules on the books reflect Division I hand-me-downs from when the NCAA restructured in 1997.

Whatever the source, Bogner said the time has arrived for Division II to stop responding to every change in communications technology.

“You are chasing your tail,” he said. “There’s always some new means of communication that will come forward, so we just have to make sure that we are on the best solid ground in terms of identifying things that adversely impact student-athletes.”

The presidents also agreed to sponsor legislation for the 2012 Convention to modify membership standards for new and existing conferences. The proposals would:

Require at a new member conference to contain at least 10 institutions, effective Aug. 1, 2013.
Require a new member conference to contain at least 10 active members to become an active conference, effective Aug. 1, 2013.
Provide the Management Council with the authority to place an annual limit on the number of applicant conferences that could be invited to active membership.
Require member conferences, effective Aug. 1, 2017, to be composed of at least eight active member institutions (waiver provision provided).
Require member conferences, effective Aug. 1, 2022, to be composed of at least 10 active member institutions (waiver provision provided).
Increase from two years to five the waiting period for a new Division II conference to become eligible for automatic qualification (two years for an active conference adding a sport), effective Aug. 1, 2013.
Create a three-year grace period for conferences falling no more than one institution below the minimum membership requirement during which the conference would continue to qualify for full membership privileges.
Require that an active Division II conference (or a conference applying for Division II membership) must have taken action to allow an institution to join the conference as a full member before that institution can be considered for active membership.
Other highlights

In other business at its Aug. 11 meeting, the Division II Presidents Council:

Reviewed a proposed new Division II vision statement proposed by the Planning and Finance Committee. The proposed statement would say: “Through a shared effort, Division II intercollegiate athletics seeks to provide value and significance for its members by supporting the mission of higher education and striking a balance among academic excellence, athletics competition and social growth while its colleges and universities prepare student-athletes to thrive in their lives and careers.”
Elected two new Presidents Council members and ratified the elections of two new Management Council members and a Management Council vice chair. Those selections will be announced next week.
Adopted a model strategic communications document for Division II.

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Post by Geezaldinho on Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:29 pm

Another school that wouldn't have been eligible is 2009-10 National Soccer champion UNC.

Anson's team that year sported an APR of 868( bottom 10% in D1), well below the 930 cut, and even below the Portland State team of the year before that cost that team two scholarships for multiple years. ken Bone's team had an 880 the year they were penalized.

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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:02 pm

I feel as if many athletes, coaches, and administrators treat athletics as a business and not as a highly organized extracurricular activity. One-and-done's certainly aren't in college to go to class, so those athletes would end up hurting their team overall just by having been there. I guess that what I mean by all this, is that I endorse this move by the NCAA.

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Post by PurplePrideTrumpet on Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:42 pm

RipCityPilot wrote:I feel as if many athletes, coaches, and administrators treat athletics as a business and not as a highly organized extracurricular activity.
DING DING DING DING DING Wink

Once you realize money is the driving force in college athletics so many things start making sense.

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