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Re: World Cup trivia time

Post by Geezaldinho on Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:03 pm

Love the dogs of war reference...

Anybody else? I'm waiting. . .


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Re: World Cup trivia time

Post by wrv on Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:44 pm

Thought I would post a video of Rapinoe's goal. Was that really a good call?Looks close. Not brave enough to venture the trivia and rule contest.

http://blixtech.com/stories/0WN8fww-N9kk

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Re: World Cup trivia time

Post by Geezaldinho on Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:08 pm

wrv wrote:Thought I would post a video of Rapinoe's goal. Was that really a good call?Looks close. Not brave enough to venture the trivia and rule contest.

http://blixtech.com/stories/0WN8fww-N9kk

I have seen a bunch of video of the play, none of it conlusive in real time.

Here is a frame from one of the videos, though. The next frame shows Megan making contact.


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Re: World Cup trivia time

Post by A_Fan on Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:32 pm

It happened so quickly that it really comes down to the ref's judgement. As one of the announcers said, a different ref might well have called it the other way.

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Re: World Cup trivia time

Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:49 pm

Purplegeezer wrote:Let's change it up a little. This one is on the Laws of the Game.

Scenario 1:

A player with the ball or ability to play the ball is held outside the box and the hold or effects of the hold continue into the box. What is the proper call?

Scenario 2:

A player in the box is held, but not directly involved in play on the ball. What is the proper call here?


Extra credit if you can cite where either of these calls has been correctly called.

Scenario 1: First, for holding, it is a "no discretion" foul. If the ref sees it, he/she must call it. Second, the kick is from the place where the holding (offense) occurred. You pose two possibilities: (a) the hold continues into the box; (b) the effects of the hold continue into the box. Under the first possibility, I assume you mean that the ref did not make the call when the holding was outside the box, but rather allowed play to continue into the box. If the ref allowed the continuation, then the holding was occurring inside the box. The holding therefore occurred while the ball still was in play. If a defender holds inside the box while the ball is in play, a pk must be awarded. So, under the first possibility, there must be a pk award. (Of course, the ref could assert that he/she stopped play before it reached the box but just couldn't manage to blow the whistle, in which case the ball was not in play when the "inside the box" holding occurred, in which case a free kick would be awarded from the spot where the ref "stopped" play. This is what typically happens.) Under the second possibility, the holding did not occur inside the box (I assume that's what you mean). In that case, the foul occurred outside the box and a free kick must be awarded from there.

Scenario 2: As stated above, holding is a "no discretion" foul and if it occurs inside the box while the ball is in play the ref must award a pk. It doesn't matter who was held, and the call must be made regardless of where the ball was so long as it was in play.

The above is based on my literal reading of the 2010/2011 FIFA Rules of the Game. I have no idea whether there are published elaborations on what the rules mean.

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Re: World Cup trivia time

Post by Geezaldinho on Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:44 am

Terrific summary of the law on holding, UPSF. you get the gold star, with one exception.


any hold is, as you say, a no-discretion foul. if the ref sees it and calls it, he MUST enforce all the provisions of the law.


Holding an opponent includes the act of preventing him from moving past or
around using the hands, the arms or the body.



Referees are reminded to make an early intervention and to deal firmly with
holding offences especially inside the penalty area at corner kicks and free
kicks.
To deal with these situations:
the referee must warn any player holding an opponent before the ball is in
play
caution the player if the holding continues before the ball is in play
award a direct free kick or penalty kick and caution the player if it happens
once the ball is in play

If a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area and continues
holding him inside the penalty area, the referee must award a penalty kick.


Disciplinary sanctions
A caution for unsporting behaviour must be issued when a player holds
an opponent to prevent him gaining possession of the ball or taking up an
advantageous position

A player must be sent off if he denies an obvious goalscoring opportunity
by holding an opponent
No further disciplinary action must be taken in other situations of holding
an opponent


Restart of play
Direct free kick from the position where the offence occurred (see Law 13
Position

in all of those scenarios I gave, a referee MUST caution the offending player.

Also since holding "Holding an opponent includes the act of preventing him from moving past or
around using the hands, the arms or the body." Any hold from outside the box that has legitimate effects of preventing movement continuing into the box could rightly be a PK and a caution. the box defines the end of the hold for the purposes of the rule, not the beginning. note that the rule says that any hold that starts outside the box and continues into the box is a PK. there is no reference to when a ref blows his whistle or point at which he makes the determination. even if the ref blows the whistle when play is outside the box, it is a PK if the hold offence continues into the box.

also, ANY hold off a corner or free kick in the box should rightly include both the PK and a caution, whether they actually involve the ball or not, or whether any advantage was prevented or not. The only requirement is preventing movement.

note that the rule directs the actions of the referee "especially" in corner or free kick scenarios, but it does NOT say these are the "ONLY" situations to award both PK's (or free kicks if outside the box) and cautions, so a strict reading could mean that any hold at all in the box demands both.

But every case of holding to prevent advantageous position demands a caution. (is there any other kind of hold?)

See how many times this Cup that a hold is whistled and no caution given. it happened at least once today.

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Re: World Cup trivia time

Post by DaTruRochin on Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:36 am

Considering how absolute the language is on a lot of items like that, the variance of interpretation from official to official really is pretty shocking... It's almost like FIFA makes all these rules and then says "here, enforce them" without any reference or training.

I mean the only thing consistent is the fitness test for an official to earn their white badge...

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Re: World Cup trivia time

Post by Geezaldinho on Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:02 am

The whole "referees are reminded" stuff was inserted a few years ago because refs have ignored the intent.

They still do. Every corner you see in S America, for example, has 8 holds.

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Question #4

Post by Geezaldinho on Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:15 am

One of the four UP players has a tattoo on her left shoulder.

1) Who is it?

2) Describe the tattoo.

Stay classy.

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Re: World Cup trivia time

Post by OldePilot on Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:40 am

I believe that Megan has a tattoo that reads "Trust Yourself." Nothing else to offer descriptively.

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Re: World Cup trivia time

Post by Geezaldinho on Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:10 am

On her left shoulder?

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Re: World Cup trivia time

Post by OldePilot on Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:11 am

Oh, I'll never tell...stayin' classy Embarassed

No idea...but Goooooaalll Rapinoe, as we speak!

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Re: World Cup trivia time

Post by OldePilot on Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:56 pm

OK. It would appear from Christine's video blog that she has a tattoo on her left shoulder (back). A soccer figure with a flame or maple leaf head? I'm waiting. . .

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Re: World Cup trivia time

Post by Geezaldinho on Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:43 pm

OldePilot wrote:OK. It would appear from Christine's video blog that she has a tattoo on her left shoulder (back). A soccer figure with a flame or maple leaf head? I'm waiting. . .

BINGO! cheers

I can't tell if it's a rose ( legs are branches? ) or a Maple leaf ( more likely).
I don't think it's a flame. But I guess we will have to wait for a better picture someday.


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question "E"

Post by Geezaldinho on Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:56 pm

Two USA goalkeepers have a clean sheet in WWC competition. Who are they?

Remember you don't get a sheet until you have played in a game.

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Re: World Cup trivia time

Post by OldePilot on Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:16 am

Briana Scurry in numerous years and Hope Solo this year Question

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Re: World Cup trivia time

Post by Geezaldinho on Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:27 am

Well, but I mean for all world cup play.

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Re: World Cup trivia time

Post by OldePilot on Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:43 am

I was indeed foolish thinking one of your questions could be that simple Embarassed

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Re: World Cup trivia time

Post by Geezaldinho on Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:31 am

OK, here's part of the answer since you guessed Hope.

Her first World Cup was 2007, where she was not scored upon in the first three games, then substituted for the game against Brazil. We know what happened there.

No one has yet scored on her this cup either.


Who is the other player with a perfect World Cup record?

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Re: World Cup trivia time

Post by Geezaldinho on Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:25 pm

Well, now there is only one with a perfect record. That one will stay on the books.

That player is Mia Hamm, who played the last 6 minutes of a 2-0 win over Norway in 1995 when Brianna Scurry got a red card.


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