MLS Soccer Academies: Death of men's college soccer?

DaTruRochin wrote:Hahaha I have no pity for anyone getting paid $35K to play a game. Get it, no pity... I should patent that.

Anyway the RL is for development under the eyes of club coaches, and a place to prove your mettle before stepping in front of the big(ger) crowds.... And besides if you want to make boat loads money as an athlete in the states and you've chosen soccer? You might want to fire your financial adviser.

Umm...

Not 35k a GAME..... That's annual salary, though I see they now list him in the 60-70K range.

http://www.mlsplayers.org/files/May%201,%202011%20Salary%20Information%20-%20By%20Club.pdf

Oh I know I meant play a game as in the game itself not an individual contest. They are getting paid money to kick a ball around for 9 months a year, it may not be the inflated NBA salary, but I can think of WAY worse things to get paid to do....

Aside: Haha and I've seen people getting paid WAY less than that driving around in a Lexus, just drive around Gresham for a while....

DaTruRochin wrote:Hahaha I have no pity for anyone getting paid $35K to play a game. Get it, no pity... I should patent that.

Anyway the RL is for development under the eyes of club coaches, and a place to prove your mettle before stepping in front of the big(ger) crowds.... And besides if you want to make boat loads money as an athlete in the states and you've chosen soccer? You might want to fire your financial adviser.

There obviously won´t be boat loads of money, but, I personally think that an academic scholarship ends up being more financial value in the end. I also think there are just too many people who won´t want to miss out on the college experience and will avoid the acadamies. Being at a soccer acadamy is probably (I´m not speaking from experience.) a rather isolating experience, and some of the kids there have been pressured into doing sports by their parents as well. Not to mention the far superior access to the b word (beer) that college has to offer...among other things. Now, if Pliny becomes the sponsor of one of the academies this all could change...

A beer company sponsoring 14 year olds would be quite the feat.... The main reason for academies is it is the way every other country in the world does it, recognizing talent early and developing it with consistent high level coaching. Players in the youth system today jump around so much they never get the consistency their S American, Euro, etc counterparts receive... I mean as of now the top college players leave after their Fresh. or Soph years anyway, why jump around when you could stay under the same high level coaching umbrella for an early age (Not every school has a Clive/Garrett level manager)? And no it isn't for everyone, but look at players who probably would have left early from UP recently: Pearce, Jaqua, Casey... All probably would have been academy players if it were an option for them. (I remember FB posts from players while I was enrolled and lets just say they weren't exactly jumping for joy about the benefits of a college degree...)

There will always be a place for the player that wants a college experience, but for the serious athlete ready to jump straight into the professional ranks an academy is the best option to really foster those goals. And until that system takes place, the US game will always be a step behind.

When I played Lacrosse as a kid, the team was sponsored by a pub.

But when you think about academies connected to clubs, you have to examine the abuses in other countries, as well. Education is pretty sketchy and most kids wash out. For every Tevez or Messi who gets sold overseas, there are a couple hundred washouts who don't have much to show for it.

I Just don't think parents in this country would put up with that.

DaTruRochin wrote:
There will always be a place for the player that wants a college experience, but for the serious athlete ready to jump straight into the professional ranks an academy is the best option to really foster those goals. And until that system takes place, the US game will always be a step behind.

Some places may be taking the next step. There's this news from Columbus last week: The Crew has told their academy players and their parents that the academy season is going to become longer and therefore they won't be able to play for their high schools. Some parents are up in arms over this but I think this was bound to happen. The rest of the world keeps young players in one system almost year round and the US has to do it to keep up.

True story: The Little League next to the one I played in once had a team sponsored by a pawn shop. Not even joking. Closest thing I've seen to a real life Chico's Bail Bonds ("Let Freedom Ring")/Bad News Bears scenario.

Purplegeezer wrote:
But when you think about academies connected to clubs, you have to examine the abuses in other countries, as well. Education is pretty sketchy and most kids wash out. For every Tevez or Messi who gets sold overseas, there are a couple hundred washouts who don't have much to show for it.

Very good point, and there's a reason why pro soccer players aren't exactly regarded as the most cerebral of human beings (I mean aside from the using the head as a bludgeon aspect of the game)... I had a co-worker from Bulgaria whose son went the pro soccer route as a boy, did really well and had Hristo Stoichkov as a coach (Yes, THAT Hristo Stoichkov). Things were going well until the dreaded knee blowout and all those years of training and very little education left him at a total loss. He ended up moving here and becoming a HS coach, but the promise of riches never came... Sad really.

But as for "parents allowing it" uhhhhh it seems to me that pretty much happens here already with basketball and football, we don't exactly have moral superiority with regard to that stance...

Oh yeah, and in response to reserve players "riding bikes to work", I give you this: Pretty sure Marcus Hanneman makes more thank 35K a year....

I've talked to some of those guys who didnt make it to the top tier.

Last summer i had my fireplace Chimney rebuilt and my House painted. The crew that did it were from Latin America, as many construction workers working around here are.

It was during the World Cup, so as you can imagine they were a little distracted and I brought a TV out on the deck so they could catch highlights of their National teams. We got to talking and I asked them if any had played when they were younger. Two were on National teams (Panama and Costa Rica) several were on reserve teams in Mexico and a couple had made the first squads for a little while. They play every weekend and they all agreed the old guy from Panama was the best "better than most MLS players still" He was in his 50's and about 5' tall.


They all agreed that while futbol was fun when they were younger, it wasn't a career, and they wished they had better educations so they didn't have to work so hard.

Purplegeezer wrote:They all agreed that while futbol was fun when they were younger, it wasn't a career, and they wished they had better educations so they didn't have to work so hard.

Tis a fair point. One thing I do like that MLS does is providing continuing education money for the top players who leave college early through the Gen Adidas project (Formerly known as Project 40) It only applies to 10-15 guys a year, but lets the players ready to go jump to the pros while still providing them with the funds to go back to school in the future. I've also heard that ideally with the academies they would like to get a 2 pronged approach where the players who want to go pro straight away (and are ready for it) can do so, and at the same time the next tier down (or the players whose parents insist on an education) can still receive quality instruction that will eventually filter into a collegiate soccer career. I suppose the biggest challenge is figuring out who is ready for what and not leading players into situations they aren't ready for. (Which will require a ton of scrupulous oversight and positive guidance for the young player.)

Purplegeezer wrote:

DaTruRochin wrote:I suppose the main supposition of the article is the best American players are no long going to play the college game. It still might exist for the second and third level players, but the stars won't see the NCAA pitch...

And as far as Reserve League games go, well they might not get much attention now, but that's because this is the first year they have had them in the last 5. In theory they should go a long way toward developing talent in MLS because players will always be playing inter-squad matches, even if not for the first team. Also with the expansion of the league and more games per team, you will need all the depth you can get. And you better believe that as soon as academies start being more established and whatnot, scouts will be all over them internationally.

Well, if you want to play in front of a crowd, reserve games aren't the path.

I've watched them in Argentina and Spain with only a few hundred other folks. The timbers reserves actually play to larger crowds. Soccer starved fans here, I guess.

Yep... but, ocho cinco isn´t doing it for the fans now, is he? He´s doing it for the love of the game.

TopDrawerSoccer weighs in on thecimpact of MLS academies on college soccer.

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-soccer/club-soccer-archives/nid-20130/Are-MLS-academies-killing-college-soccer