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Post by DaTruRochin on Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:04 am

MesaPilot1 wrote: in my PROTESTANT prayers!

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Post by MesaPilot1 on Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:09 am

I knew you would like that one DTR...we still get to see them again in Vegas unless St Marys led by Mickey destroys them earlier than usual this yr Twisted Evil Very Happy

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Post by Geezaldinho on Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:13 am

If it helps Mauro, I promise to go downtowm to Beth-Israel and participate in a Birkhat Ha‑Gomel.

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Post by MesaPilot1 on Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:18 am

Purplegeezer wrote:If it helps Mauro, I promise to go downtowm to Beth-Israel and participate in a Birkhat Ha‑Gomel.

WE better stop before we get in trouble Rolling Eyes , get well Mauro!!!

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Post by MesaPilot1 on Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:20 am

Good nite Angelo! Wink errh I mean Pilot Fans,,,may 1000 ants invade your armpits....


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Post by Rochin54 on Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:30 am

up7587 wrote:
Purplegeezer wrote:I remember when a zag team with Adam Morrison (gasp) went to mid court and applauded the Pilots fans. I think it was Rev's first year. That was classy, even if it was Morrison.

This bunch of jerks is not.
I never boo the opposing team. Tonight I did, after their classless act post-game.

So what exactly transpired? On the broadcast, I saw Rev and Few talking right before they broke back to the studio. By the time they broke, there wasn't any indication on TV that some shenanigans were going on.

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Post by mattywizz on Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:27 am

This was the first loss to the Zags where I did not take a moral victory. I really think we should have won the game and very disappointed we did not. I guess that means we are taking steps in the right direction. In years past when we got a lead I would always wonder how we were going to lose it. This morning (yes, I recored and watched this morning) I felt confident that the Pilots were going to win after taking the big lead.

Play got sloppy for a couple stretches, both of which Gonzaga made runs, one to shorten our lead and one to extend theirs. Bad turnovers and some bad shot selection. Tighten up those stretches and we could have won handily.

Luke Sikma is a beast. What a great rebounder, how many does he get "over the back" and tipping to himself. One of the best out of position I've seen. Also, took what three charges, Shane Battieresque. Also showed a few good moves in the post.

Kramer, did anyone else hear the stat that he is tied for most career starts in UP history? He is never going to be mentioned with the best Pilots ever (except in Mesa's house, maybe) but man has he had a solid career. A great contributor who works hard ALL THE TIME! Those two quick ones really hurt us, though.

Man, can Stohl and Mitrovic shoot from deep! Both able to get their shots off quickly and with a man in their face. Wish we would have ran a better play on that last possession where Mitrovic was blocked by Sacre.

Really liking that Timmy Douglas kid. Don't want to get ahead of myself, but I think we will be talking about him for a long time to come. Hits a good percentage of his threes, but I'm really only confident in it when he gets time for a good release. But he should get that time a lot because people won't want to run at him too hard with his ability to get to the hole. Doesn't make a ton of mistakes, his worst problem I see is a little too aggressive trying to get to the bucket sometimes. That is something I can deal with though.

Great effort overall by the Pilots, would have been nice to pull off the win. Got a lot of work ahead of us and are going to need some help to get in the top four and earn a bye in Vegas.

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Re: The Really Big One.. Zags

Post by onetouchfutbol on Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:34 am

DJ-- The reason this is so disheartening is that last years' home loss was extremely close if not closer. We lost or missed OT two years in a row by 3 points. Even if our expectations were lower going into this season, our level of play has raised them...

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Well, all we can do is learn from it for the Vegas trip now. Rev has got to show the team video or review some things before the tourney so that we can get better. This was a team loss, so take all of this with a grain of salt. There's no way we deserved to win the game. Here are a few things that stood out to me, but, I'm no coach:

1) We've got to take better care of the ball and cut down turnovers. Those plays when Douglas handed off the ball to a shooter at the top of the key got intercepted several times.
1.5) We've got to learn to set more effective screens to avoid some of those turnovers (for example there was the moving screen that I believe was set by Riley Barker).
2) We've got to hit free throws at key junctures of the game. When Mitrovic drew contact from behind the three point line, he needed to hit all three of those instead of 2 to help bring us back. When Sikma had a chance to cut the game to 3 points with 2 free throws, it was no time to only hit 1 of 2.
3) Our seniors especially have to avoid foul trouble.
4) We've got to pick and choose when we try for the charge. The play when Sikma was trying for the charge against Stephen Gray was a little bit silly. Gray just stopped on a dime and shot a jumper over Sikma and Sikma made no effort to put his hands up to block the shot because he seemed to assume that Gray would crash into him out of control...
5) When tourney time comes, Rev needs to really pay attention to the stats. Gonzaga had the best field goal percentage defense in the WCC, but, the worst three point defense in the nation going into the game. At the end of the game our three point percentage was higher than our field goal percentage and we seemed to struggle more in the paint. We should have been able to predict that would happen and made a few more adjustments...

All that being said, I still love our Pilots and I still loved the effort. I want to see what happens when we play these guys on a neutral floor in Vegas. GO UP!!!!


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Post by PilotNut on Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:31 am

Bulldogs Break Pilots Home Win Streak, 67-64

PORTLAND, Ore. --- The Portland Pilots had a 19-game Chiles Center winning streak snapped by the Gonzaga Bulldogs, 67-64, Thursday night in West Coast Conference action before a sold out crowd of 4,852. Gonzaga was the last team to beat the Pilots on their home floor, an 81-78 decision last year. Jared Stohl and Nemanja Mitrovic had 16 points each to lead Portland, while Luke Sikma added his WCC-leading 11th double-double with 14 points and 16 rebounds.

Portland (16-7, 4-4 WCC) led by as much as 13 points early after drilling five consecutive three-pointers, but the Bulldogs (15-8, 5-3) chipped away to close the period and then ran out to a 10-point lead midway through the second half. The Pilots used an 8-0 run capped by a Stohl three-pointer to make it 53-51 with 5:33 remaining. Portland would pull within two again at 63-61 on a runner by freshman Tim Douglas with 19 seconds remaining, but Steven Gray made four consecutive free throws to secure the victory.

Gonzaga extends its winning streak in Portland to 16 games with the road victory and moves into sole possession of fourth place in the WCC standings.

Junior center Robert Sacre led the Bulldogs with 17 points, 12 rebounds and four blocked shots. Gray added 15 points and freshman David Stockton came off the bench and finished with 12 points and six assists.

Douglas recorded his fifth straight double-figures scoring game and finished with 14 points, four assists and three steals. Portland shot 37 percent from the field for the game, but made 11-of-21 three-pointers. Gonzaga shot a blistering 59 percent in the second half and 49 percent for the game. The Bulldogs were 3-of-12 from beyond the arc, but two came in the final four minutes by Gray and Stockton, respectively.

Gonzaga controlled the boards with a 36-31 rebounding advantage and had a 36-14 margin in points in the paint.

The Pilots used a 14-0 run and drilled five three-pointers in the first 4:32 of the game as they raced to a 17-4 lead. Gonzaga would close the gap to 34-28 at the break and then pick up the defensive intensity early in the second period. The Bulldogs held the Pilots to just seven points over the first 10:50 of the second half to grab a 51-41 lead.

Portland will make a quick turnaround and head north to face the Seattle Redhawks in the final non-conference game of the season for the Pilots. Tip-off on Saturday is scheduled for 7 p.m. and the game will be televised live on FSN Northwest.


Newspaper Box Score
GONZAGA BULLDOGS vs Portland
02/03/11 8:00 PM at Portland, Ore. {Chiles Center}
At Portland, Ore. {Chiles Center}
GONZAGA BULLDOGS 67, PORTLAND 64

GONZAGA BULLDOGS (15-8, 5-3 WCC)
SACRE, Robert 7-13 3-5 17; GRAY, Steven 5-9 4-6 15; STOCKTON, David 4-7 3-4
12; CARTER, Marquise 3-6 0-1 7; HARRIS, Elias 2-5 2-2 6; AROP, Mangisto 2-3
0-0 4; DOWER, Sam 2-7 0-0 4; OLYNYK, Kelly 1-2 0-0 2; HART, Mike 0-0 0-0 0;
MOENNINGHOFF, Mathis 0-0 0-0 0; GOODSON, Demetri 0-1 0-0 0. Totals 26-53
12-18 67.

PORTLAND (16-7, 4-4 WCC)
MITROVIC, Nemanja 5-12 2-3 16; STOHL, Jared 5-9 2-2 16; DOUGLAS, Tim 5-16
1-2 14; SIKMA, Luke 4-11 6-7 14; HANNIBAL, Jasonn 0-1 2-4 2; KNUTSON, Kramer
1-3 0-1 2; RODGERS, Derrick 0-0 0-0 0; BARKER, Riley 0-0 0-0 0; RILEY,
Tanner 0-2 0-0 0; WATERFORD, Eric 0-0 0-0 0. Totals 20-54 13-19 64.

GONZAGA BULLDOGS.............. 28 39 - 67
Portland...................... 34 30 - 64

3-point goals--GONZAGA BULLDOGS 3-12 (GRAY, Steven 1-3; STOCKTON, David 1-3;
CARTER, Marquise 1-2; DOWER, Sam 0-1; GOODSON, Demetri 0-1; AROP, Mangisto
0-1; HARRIS, Elias 0-1), Portland 11-21 (STOHL, Jared 4-6; MITROVIC, Nemanja
4-7; DOUGLAS, Tim 3-6; RILEY, Tanner 0-2). Fouled out--GONZAGA
BULLDOGS-None, Portland-None. Rebounds--GONZAGA BULLDOGS 36 (SACRE, Robert
12), Portland 31 (SIKMA, Luke 16). Assists--GONZAGA BULLDOGS 13 (STOCKTON,
David 6), Portland 10 (DOUGLAS, Tim 4). Total fouls--GONZAGA BULLDOGS 19,
Portland 17. Technical fouls--GONZAGA BULLDOGS-None, Portland-None. A-4852

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Re: The Really Big One.. Zags

Post by jake on Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:43 am

Rochin54 wrote:
up7587 wrote:
Purplegeezer wrote:I remember when a zag team with Adam Morrison (gasp) went to mid court and applauded the Pilots fans. I think it was Rev's first year. That was classy, even if it was Morrison.

This bunch of jerks is not.
I never boo the opposing team. Tonight I did, after their classless act post-game.

So what exactly transpired? On the broadcast, I saw Rev and Few talking right before they broke back to the studio. By the time they broke, there wasn't any indication on TV that some shenanigans were going on.

I didn't see the blatant unsportsmanlike conduct that is being referred to on the board. I did see some stuff from Gray that I think could have been left behind, but, at least what I saw, wasn't anything to get overly fired up about. It is possible that I missed something that others saw. The excitement from our players is as much a statement about where we are at this year, the improvement UP has made, and how tough and difficult that win was. Having won the league title 10 years in a row doesn't mean anything about the importance of the game last night. We've seen similar to worse celebrations anytime we've lost and for the most part they don't fire me up. I understand how going to half court might rub people the wrong way, but Gonzaga has been doing that for years. It wasn't to stomp on the P and rub the loss in. It was a hard fought game. I'll be back at the next two Pilot games cheering them on, and again against everyone but GU in Vegas.

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Post by Stonehouse on Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:33 am

Fair enough. The dancing/celebrating on the P was annoying, but I don't think anyone would have really complained about it had they not then gone and run around and gloated to the crowd, raising their arms, shouting at UP fans, etc etc. Sacre in particular was the most egregious, I think.

The best way I can think to explain it: there's a difference between the attitude of sheer joy in victory, and the attitude of arrogantly expecting victory and glorying in it. What I saw from the Zag players last night was not "Oh my gosh, we won!!! I'm so excited!!!" It was "You suck, your fans suck, and we're better than you because we're Gonzaga."

It's one thing to acknowledge the Zag fans that were there with a simple applause (like our own players did to our students). It's a whole other thing to show up all the fans who were cheering for a team you were expected to beat and just barely escaped by the hair of your chinny chin chins.

But yes... some of it is just sour grapes/bitterness after the lost. But hey -there was a whole thread on the Zag board about St. Mary's players showing up your students after they won, wasn't there?

I think the thing that sticks in people's craw is that Goznaga has beat us in Portland something like 16 times in a row. They were the favorite in the game. Portland is obviously improving... in fact, we've improved so much that those two wins for Goznaga are among Gonzaga's best RPI-wise and could help cement their at-large bid.

So... respect your opponent. You already won the game - no need to show them up afterward.

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Post by jake on Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:40 am

Good comments Stonehouse. I don't know if there was a whole thread about St. Mary's showing us up. There probably was. I try to avoid our board after the losses because I can't stand the blame it on the refs posts and the WCC conspiracy nut jobs. It's a little more sane on here. I missed Sacre's behavior, but it is very possible it wasn't in the best taste. Taking your reaction from excitement to rubbing it in/taunting fans isn't appropriate. Gray was the one I saw doing a little of that, but it sounds like other were too. Maybe I missed some of the antics because I was still upset that the buzzer beater three made my -3.5 bet a loser. Good luck to the Pilots the rest of the way.

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Post by upsailor on Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:38 pm

It was a discouraging loss, but there is still lite at the end of the tunnell.
Shooting 52% from 3pt range, but 37% overall shows how ineffective we were in the paint. Thats something that has to be addressedquickly and witrh only one scholarship left it will be difficult. The chosen "ONE" willhave to be super. Also Tim's shot was off for a good portion of the game and that hurt

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Post by MesaPilot1 on Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:25 pm

upsailor wrote:It was a discouraging loss, but there is still lite at the end of the tunnell.
Shooting 52% from 3pt range, but 37% overall shows how ineffective we were in the paint. Thats something that has to be addressedquickly and witrh only one scholarship left it will be difficult. The chosen "ONE" willhave to be super. Also Tim's shot was off for a good portion of the game and that hurt

How many guppie's did the kids miss from inside 3 pt land Evil or Very Mad ...one final note...little stockton will maybe be as good as Mickey that's if some more of his dad's genetics show up..he's got the same problem as Luke....half his genetic structure comes from mamma....
I bet Rev's got the bigs in the gym practicing guppies, or meditation (so they dont expend energy needed for a 40 minute game in the first five minutes against the evil empire)....good game to watch...especially when the Zags gave the preformance confused confused confused scratch bom at center court like they just beat a team to make the final four...ha,ha...



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Post by onetouchfutbol on Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:04 am

Stonehouse wrote:Fair enough. The dancing/celebrating on the P was annoying, but I don't think anyone would have really complained about it had they not then gone and run around and gloated to the crowd, raising their arms, shouting at UP fans, etc etc. Sacre in particular was the most egregious, I think.

The best way I can think to explain it: there's a difference between the attitude of sheer joy in victory, and the attitude of arrogantly expecting victory and glorying in it. What I saw from the Zag players last night was not "Oh my gosh, we won!!! I'm so excited!!!" It was "You suck, your fans suck, and we're better than you because we're Gonzaga."

It's one thing to acknowledge the Zag fans that were there with a simple applause (like our own players did to our students). It's a whole other thing to show up all the fans who were cheering for a team you were expected to beat and just barely escaped by the hair of your chinny chin chins.

But yes... some of it is just sour grapes/bitterness after the lost. But hey -there was a whole thread on the Zag board about St. Mary's players showing up your students after they won, wasn't there?

I think the thing that sticks in people's craw is that Goznaga has beat us in Portland something like 16 times in a row. They were the favorite in the game. Portland is obviously improving... in fact, we've improved so much that those two wins for Goznaga are among Gonzaga's best RPI-wise and could help cement their at-large bid.

So... respect your opponent. You already won the game - no need to show them up afterward.

I wasn't at the game, but, I didn't really see it that way either. I saw Stephen Gray yelling and flexing a bit and happy about the GU victory...which definitely stung. But, he was also celebrating hitting some key jumpers for them toward the end of the game even before it ended.

The way that I saw the whole thing was that we were finally good enough that Gonzaga felt they had to celebrate a victory over us. I've seen them play ranked teams with lesser celebrations than they had against us. I didn't see it as, "You suck" at all. I saw it as, "Thank God, we escaped with a W." To me it was more a little bit of relief and celebration.

And as far as the stomping on the P goes, if that ignites a rivalry half as bitter as the UW vs. U of O football rivalry (when UW stomped on the O), I'm okay with it. Bring it! Because with some of the recruits coming through, there's absolutely no way GU will continue to dominate us in the coming years.

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Post by MesaPilot1 on Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:02 am

So what your saying is Rev and pew were talking about the weather after the game ??? C'mon time to think that response over again. Even mushroom man or Samhan have never acted that way in Portland... I believe they have a rule in the book called taunting..What is it with some of you Northwest guys that delight in POOR SPORTSMANSHIP...there are other ways rivalry's can be started or continued..... confused


I guarantee you if Gray had been on Bobby Knights,Coach K's , or Lute Olson's bench he would have recieved an "earful" from the coach about his behavior at the next time out...that's the kind of pressure John Calibrari,Bruce Pearl, and even lesser coachs like Few are under to "look" the other way to keep the best on their little spoiled,poorly raised "superstars" on their team,to retain their cushy prime time jobs...

I give Gray a pass,because he's always showed class...previously... and sometimes young kids make life mistakes when their caught up in the "heat" of competion. This current Zag team reminds me of why I miss players like MATT BOULDIN who just let their play do their talking...too bad he used to disapear sometimes during big games... he is who little fewey is missing with all the talent he's stockpiled on his team this year....thank God that kid was only there 4 years...it seemed like 8,lol.


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Post by onetouchfutbol on Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:00 am

MesaPilot1 wrote:So what your saying is Rev and pew were talking about the weather after the game ??? C'mon time to think that response over again. Even mushroom man or Samhan have never acted that way in Portland... I believe they have a rule in the book called taunting..What is it with some of you Northwest guys that delight in POOR SPORTSMANSHIP...there are other ways rivalry's can be started or continued..... confused


I guarantee you if Gray had been on Bobby Knights,Coach K's , or Lute Olson's bench he would have recieved an "earful" from the coach about his behavior at the next time out...that's the kind of pressure John Calibrari,Bruce Pearl, and even lesser coachs like Few are under to "look" the other way to keep the best on their little spoiled,poorly raised "superstars" on their team,to retain their cushy prime time jobs...

I give Gray a pass,because he's always showed class...previously... and sometimes young kids make life mistakes when their caught up in the "heat" of competion. This current Zag team reminds me of why I miss players like MATT BOULDIN who just let their play do their talking...too bad he used to disapear sometimes during big games... he is who little fewey is missing with all the talent he's stockpiled on his team this year....thank God that kid was only there 4 years...it seemed like 8,lol.

I agree that taunting isn't classy, and at the same time, I love rivalries in sports and in there's no way that anyone can honestly tell me we deserved to win this game. We went on an early run, and then we became turnover prone and more inept at the offensive end. We never recovered and never regained the lead. It would have been nice if we could have hit enough 3s toward the end to pull this off, but, it was not to be. I was mourning this loss before it ended, so maybe I wasn't as affected by any taunting that occurred on the court.

Now, as far as Bobby Knight goes, he was a little bit overzealous in his disciplining at times, and that's well documented. I'm not a fan of Bobby Knight or PJ Carlisimo, but, I do appreciate a good disciplinarian as a coach maybe someone like Nate McMillan who doesn't tolerate much nonsense. Again, I wasn't at the game...and I'm sure some stuff happened that they didn't show on tv. But, kids are kids....and rivalries are rivalries too. Taunting always feels worse when you're on the losing side trying to swallow a bitter pill. Maybe guys like Sacre went a little bit nuts because he was still pissed about the hard foul that Kramer gave him across the face toward the end of the game. That honestly could have been called as a flagrant, but, that's no excuse for Sacre's behavior either. Let's move on now and use this as fuel to beat them at the tournament. I still like our teams' potential, and we have to cut town our turnovers to achieve our goals.

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Post by up7587 on Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:14 am

Interesting sequence of twits by Coach Rev. Too bad he's busy with the team; we fans need this coaching too.
Very late night watching tape to very early morning doing the same. Some "pages" are tougher to turn. Requires toughness and focus by all.
Fellow UP coach just said to me "that was our chance". I had to remind her missed opportunity perhaps but things have changed for good.
Sometimes I wish I bought this logic. RT @GreatestQuotes: "We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time." - Vince Lombardi
Coach Eric Jackson did nice job helping the team "turn the page" today and get ready for Seattle. Limit TO's and rebounding is key.

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Post by DaTruRochin on Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:17 am

So kind of Rev to help us all turn the page too... I think a few beers at the alumni pre game tonight will help me close that chapter.... as long as nobody says the Z word to me. Razz

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Post by onetouchfutbol on Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:20 am

Yeah, I totally disagree with the "that was our chance" quote...as if there's only one. Our program is still a work in progress, and with our recruits coming in we're going to have the athleticism needed to compete with teams like GU more consistently...and beat them. We've got the basketball IQ already...and a little bit more experience will help us to eliminate some mistakes as well. Plus, "that was our chance" implies that this season is over. Not by a long shot...

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Post by PilotNut on Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:41 am

Sheesh, which coach said that? Hmmmm. I disagree as well.

There is still a lot of basketball yet to play. USF and SCU play tonight @USF, so the loser will have 3 losses... and both of those teams still have to come to Chiles and Spokane. If we are able to hold our own at home (particularly against whoever loses tonight), and in LA & @USD, we will be looking right back at 3rd or 4th place, and the important first round bye in Vegas.

At this point we need to cheer for SMC to win out (except vs. us, of course) and GU to win out (since they own the head-to-head tie breaker over us, and we need them to give losses to USF & SCU).

First things first, let's pummel Seattle U!

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Post by MesaPilot1 on Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:00 pm

PilotNut wrote:Sheesh, which coach said that? Hmmmm. I disagree as well.

There is still a lot of basketball yet to play. USF and SCU play tonight @USF, so the loser will have 3 losses... and both of those teams still have to come to Chiles and Spokane. If we are able to hold our own at home (particularly against whoever loses tonight), and in LA & @USD, we will be looking right back at 3rd or 4th place, and the important first round bye in Vegas.

At this point we need to cheer for SMC to win out (except vs. us, of course) and GU to win out (since they own the head-to-head tie breaker over us, and we need them to give losses to USF & SCU).

First things first, let's pummel Seattle U!
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Re: The Really Big One.. Zags

Post by Geezaldinho on Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:03 pm

Well, we don't know context. You have to admit if we had finally knocked off the zags the dynamic now would be totally different.

But for sure it's a dream deferred , not a dream denied.

We absolutely will get there with Rev. Maybe it won't be at the pace we dream about, but we will get there.

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