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Post by wrv on Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:35 pm

Denver is our first opponent and then probably Colorado . . .

http://www.ncaasports.com/soccer/womens/brackets/viewable/straight64_dyn/2007/DI

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Re: Bracket Up: We are #2 Seed and will travel

Post by ejjqb on Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:50 pm

The real injustice in this is that those jerks who call themselves experts at the NCAA have almost guarenteed that the best attended, most watched team in the country will have 1) only one game at home after none last year if UCLA wins and 2) that we will have to play at UCLA again! What good does it do to have a member of the Pilots staff on this committee if he can't talk some sense into their process? I, for one, am sick and tired of hearing that "it's just the way the process is." Sometimes there has to be some good sense prevail.

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Re: Bracket Up: We are #2 Seed and will travel

Post by kennaprez on Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:52 pm

amen brother

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Re: Bracket Up: We are #2 Seed and will travel

Post by Harry Redknapp on Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:54 pm

UP and USC both got really screwed. This is completely bogus. Colorado has no right to host these games: there'll be 300 people at their game. Total BS.

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Re: Bracket Up: We are #2 Seed and will travel

Post by Stonehouse on Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:57 pm

It's the same old story year after year. Consensus #3 team in the country, perfect WCC season, won last 8 games by a combined 24-1 score, lead the country in attendance (for the THIRD straight year)... yet STILL sent to travel. It really just makes me sick.

I don't mind not getting a #1 seed too much (Stanford and Penn State were maybe questionable), but being put on the same side as UCLA... that just seems overly unfair. Why pit the #1 and #3 teams against each other in the quarterfinals? I just don't get it at all... and it's not a regional thing - we could have easily been in Stanford's quadrant. AHHH! It just makes me so crazy.

Oh, and by the way... even if we did get a #1 seed, we wouldn't have hosted. The rule that #1 seeds get to host no matter what goes into effect NEXT year instead of this year. So really we were screwed either way.

Sigh... oh well... see you at the Tennessee game next weekend! Smile

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Re: Bracket Up: We are #2 Seed and will travel

Post by GUPhantom on Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:01 pm

How about that? For Keelin and Kendra

...there's that infamous line from the Terminator that'll bring some old friends nightmares .... "I'LL BE BACK!!!"

I don't think the Rocky Mountain folks will be very happy to see them again, huh?

GO PILOTS!!!!!

I had to edit to say I'm with you guys....totally upset that we aren't hosting! Colorado?? No sense to this at all! But...like the team...decision's been made...have to find something positive and move forward!!!


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Re: Bracket Up: We are #2 Seed and will travel

Post by UPFAN on Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:08 pm

Kendra and Keelin will have a large number of supporters at the game. CU games have averaged about 1200, so there should be a fair crowd, but it is nothing like seeing a game at Merlo. We will go in and take care of business I am sure!

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Re: Bracket Up: We are #2 Seed and will travel

Post by wrv on Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:09 pm

Danielle Foxhoven may be among those cheering on the Pilots, perhaps even sitting near the bench . . .

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Re: Bracket Up: We are #2 Seed and will travel

Post by pms275 on Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:14 pm

Frankly, I think the only real disappointment is not getting to see them play a couple more games at home. I think they'll be walking away from the opening weekend the winner, regardless of where they play.

Assuming we get UCLA in the quarterfinals, while I'd love to have them at home, I'm happy to smack them around anywhere. The Pilots will have both Sophie and Stephanie back for the rematch, and I think it will turn out differently.

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Re: Bracket Up: We are #2 Seed and will travel

Post by thepuck on Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:31 pm

The author of the portlandpilots.com story on the seeding cleary is having a hard time containing their feelings. Its actually sorta entertaining.

http://www.portlandpilots.com/sports/wsoccer/release.asp?release_id=4649

I feel screwed with my pants on.

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Re: Bracket Up: We are #2 Seed and will travel

Post by ejjqb on Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:38 pm

The more I think about it, the more I wonder why we bother to support Buzz Stroud any more in this process. What good does he do if he can't bring some fiscal sense to things as he could have guaranteed a better return for the NCAA with the Pilots hosting. I really can't buy the story that he has to excuse himself from discussions about the Pilots. We all know how much goes on behind the scenes and outside of the official discussion in these things. It happens everywhere, so why can't Buzz do better by his Pilots, and also by the best fans in the country. That outstanding support should mean something in a just process.

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Re: Bracket Up: We are #2 Seed and will travel

Post by thepuck on Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:56 pm

Wait???

We had somebody in the room and we still get a crap seeding and we go to denver???

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Post by UPFAN on Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:03 pm

The weather in Boulder is supposed to be good this weekend - thank goodness.

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Re: Bracket Up: We are #2 Seed and will travel

Post by Geezaldinho on Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:07 pm

I'm feeling pretty good. Sure, traveling sucks, is an injustice, and shows what ChickenSh*ts the NCAA is for running a tournament this way, But

Eye on the Prize, eye on the prize

I'd rather see Tennessee and Colorado than Virginia and San Diego

And I feel pretty good about facing UCLA with all our players back. They just squeaked out the last one when we were shorthanded.

College cup, here we come!

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Post by UPFAN on Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:10 pm

I know it is disappointing to be sure, but the coaching staff and players are used to this. The seniors have had to go through this every year and have always performed like the champions they are!

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Post by ejjqb on Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:13 pm

I may be crazy, but here is my message to our athletic department. Just sent it. Curious to see if there is a response. They should not be let off the hook after three years of total discrimination towards the Pilots ladies:


Mr. Williams and Mr. Stroud,

I know that it is not fair to blame you for the inequity of the NCAA process for selecting playoff sites but, I for one, and I am sure thousands of other dedicated fans agree, would like to know what the administration has done, and is doing, to correct such a messed up process. I hope that you agree that it is wrong that a process is accepted as the way to do things when it clearly puts schools like UP in the position of working to improve local teams if they want to have a chance of hosting in the early rounds. Obviously, this is impossible. Please tell us that you agree with the fans who have made your jobs possible by providing the highest grossing sports support at the school. Once again, you tease us into committing to season tickets with the dream that the world is fair and we can have our seats when the Pilots host a playoff game. Now you have teased us for three straight years with absolutely no apparent fight for your team and your fans. Are you afraid to take on the bureaucrats who call themselves the NCAA? It's about time someone had the guts to get the job done with that group and I am disappointed that Buzz has been a part of this without any success at making things right. Sure you can't speak up in the meetings when the Pilots are discussed but we all know that the real work is done outside of the official meetings in this world. The Pilots could easily guarantee that the NCAA will make money hosting versus sending them to any other site in the country, outside of Texas A&M. I hope you guys are as absolutely outraged as the many faithful fans who pay your salaries.

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Re: Bracket Up: We are #2 Seed and will travel

Post by Geezaldinho on Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:19 pm

Cheer up!
Kelin and Kendra get to play at home.


Think of it as a recruiting trip....

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Post by PilotNut on Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:57 pm

While the need to travel is disappointing and short sighted by the NCAA.... what I want to know is what is being done to CHANGE the rule going forward?! I know that #1 seeds will be protected next year, but that just means that the NCAA can manipulate the travel schedule by who they give the top seeds to...

What is outgoing WCC Commissioner Gilleran doing about it? My guess: nothing. Neutral

Speaking of which, any word on who will replace him?

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Post by A_Fan on Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:31 pm

I went to the NCAA website and wrote to the person they list as the soccer contact asking why the UP is always treated unfairly when it comes to hosting. I don't expect a rational answer but I felt better for having written.

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Post by thepuck on Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:55 pm

Could you provide the email to the rest of the board... I'm sure there are several other members of this board that would be open to giving the NCAA a piece of their mind.

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Re: Bracket Up: We are #2 Seed and will travel

Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:02 pm

I'm not commenting about the Tournament Committee, or its individual members, or anything related, until I've had time to cool down. Once the tournament is over, let's get together and figure out how to raise a big enough stink that this never happens again.

My wife's family is from Denver, so we're going to go visit family, recruit Denver area Pilots soccer fans, and scream our lungs out.

I agree with the person who said he/she can't really object to our seed. Notwithstanding what I think the Pilots' RPI may be, it's hard to argue that we should have been seeded ahead of USC. But USC should be really fried. They tied Stanford at Stanford. And now they have to travel? The west coast gets only two sites, notwithstanding having four seeds and certainly a competitor (San Diego) for a fifth seed? (Although I have to say I don't think San Diego should have been seeded. As we all know, Santa Clara is better.)

But, on a much more positive note: We were at the UCLA game. We were the better team, without Stephanie and with an exhausted Sophie playing midfield and with a concussed Kelsey who never would have let the overtime goal in if she'd been fully conscious. I'm willing to bet that UCLA is saying, "Oh ...., we're s....ed." We're in the best quarter of the draw.

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Post by GUPhantom on Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:24 pm

No worries friends. UCLA will be in a world of hurt on their side of the bracket. Cal State Fullerton and USD match up well against the Bruins. They won't be pushovers.

Cal State Fullerton played us tough. They only lost to us 2-1. USD (our WCC bretheren) played the Bruins to a 0-0 (2 OT) tie in September. That's not bad...not bad at all! Its a good sign and indication to me that UCLA could be knocked out early....and not even survive their own home field advantage. I'm fully expecting the Titans or the Tereros to give us the "Upset Special" this weekend. We may just get the home playoff games (for the 3rd Round and Quarterfinals rounds) we've been wanting to be at Merlo!

The Pilots are Ready and Primed. They've played through much adversity this season. The MACHINE is ready. Mission accepted. This short deployment is only motivation for them to unleash some furious shock and awe! I'm with you Geezer. Doesn't matter!

EYE ON THE PRIZE GUYS!.....EYE ON THE PRIZE!

GO PILOTS!!!!

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Post by harryb on Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:31 pm

My guess is that Virginia will beat UCLA in the third round, and we'll be hosting the quarterfinals anyway. At least we won't have to meet NC until the finals.

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Re: Bracket Up: We are #2 Seed and will travel

Post by Wally-Forever on Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:16 pm

Seedings aside, the majority of the travel issues over the past couple of years can be linked to the decline of the UW women's program and the slow ascension of the Oregon, PSU and OSU programs. When UW was decent they were always our second in region and they would fly in the 3rd and 4th to PDX, boise state, utah, byu, denver, etc. We need better quality play in the region for UP to host in the future or we will be destined for first round travel indefinetly.

The seedings are another story. While it is difficult know what exactly what transpires in the room, it is clear than most of the representatives do not know soccer. Each most likely have some ax to grind for their conference or region. Football dollars have changed the women's soccer landscape forever. What ever happened to Colorado College, William and Mary and other small programs with a history of competitive women's teams? I suspect the WCC schools will always be subject to some negative bias. The trick is to win and if not win then tie. Play a tough schedule. We should probably get rid of PSU from our schedule because it hurts our RPI. For example, Penn State only played 3 teams with a losing records and those were all Big 10 teams with higher RPI's. UP played 7 teams with a losing record.

USC didn't deserve a #1 because they lost to WSU and I don't think they got screwed. I suspect they are good enough to beat Penn State but a long flight will hurt them. Portland-Stanford#1 seed was probably a push. Standford toughest patch was 1 win, 1 loss and 2 ties against, Cal, USC, UCLA and Santa Clara. UP was two losses to UCLA and USC. I can believe that UCLA doesn't want to see UP again. I can't recall when we have lost 3 consecutive to a team on this coast. I would love to see USC take Penn State and UP beat UCLA for another repeat match up.

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SanDiego over UCLA (tied them earlier in the year, UCLA is know for a bobble now and then and hasn't had one in a while), if not USD then Virginia (only allowed 7 goals all year)

Santa Clara over Stanford. Santa clara has no fear (or respect) for the stanford team, it will be like a home game. Expect them to bite back hard from last years premature exit. If not SC then A and M will take care of standford.

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Re: Bracket Up: We are #2 Seed and will travel

Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:34 pm

An observation. I've just gone through the at large selections and the seeds in relation to teams' RPI ranks. For the at large selections, the Tournament Committee followed the RPI closely. The first 31 at large selections (out of a total of 34) were completely consistent with the RPI. The teams "on the bubble" were Miami, Auburn, Colorado, Dayton, Arizona State, and Washington State. The first three were selected and the last three were not. These teams are in the area of the RPI that begins to involve penalty adjustments, so I don't know if the selections exactly followed the RPI with proper penalty adjustments, but they came very close.

On the other hand, the seeds did not follow the RPI. I've wondered if this would happen. If you read the NCAA rules carefully, they create criteria for the selection of participants in the Tournament, but nowhere is there an explicit statement that these are the criteria that will apply to the seeds. In fact, so far as I can find, there are no published criteria that apply to the seeding process.

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