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Post by onetouchfutbol on Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:16 am

I'm really looking forward to this game. Few people have seen our team outside of the fans and the locals, and I feel like we have 2 opportunities to put ourselves onto the map when we play Gonzaga. Since we're currently #41 in RPI, to an extent we control our own destiny even if our RPI does drop a bit from being in a somewhat weaker conference. What would happen if we split with both Gonzaga and SMC and went 10-4 or 11-3 in the WCC instead of 9-5? I think it's realistic...

These are the matchups in the Gonzaga game that I look forward to:

Waterford/Douglas vs Dimitri Goodson-- Both teams have reliable point guard play, and if we play turnover free ball for 2 halves, this game could be a great contest.

Stohl/ Mitrovic vs. Stephen Gray-- One of my biggest questions of this game is: Will Gonzaga's perimeter defense at home be an issue for us? Can Mitrovic and Stohl get off their shots against a quality opponent on the road? If not, will Rev throw some wrinkles into the mix by utilizing more screens for the shooters?

Hannibal vs Sacre-- A year ago this wouldn't have been a matchup, but, Hannibal is starting to become more respectable with his back door cuts and dunks even if it just means scoring 6-8 ppg at times. If he can do that in this game, it would be huge.

X-Factors of the game: Elias Harris and Mitrovic. If either of these guys goes off a little bit for about 22 points, it could be enough to decide the game. Of course, Sikma is another X-Factor, but, I expect him to get boards in every game. Both teams are quite deep, and a no name player could also emerge...


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Post by onetouchfutbol on Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:35 am

Hannibal vs Sacre -- Is it just the nerdy side of me, or does this sound like Dungeons and Dragons?

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Re: Collision course: Portland vs. Gonzaga -- Round 1.

Post by onetouchfutbol on Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:51 am

I saw this post on the UP Facebook page. Very cool:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5983855

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Re: Collision course: Portland vs. Gonzaga -- Round 1.

Post by wrv on Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:41 am

The Zags current win streak is impressive, most recently over Wake Forrest in North Carolina. This is, without a doubt, a tough task for the Pilots.

I am hoping for an upset . . .but either way I think the Pilots should acquit themselves well.

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Post by PilotNut on Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:04 am

Good news: The GU students are not yet back on campus, so the Mac should be notably less crazy than normal...

I look forward to Sacre vs. Sikma...

Reminder: Game time is 5:30pm, TV is FSN NW.

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Post by PilotNut on Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:49 pm

Oregonian Article

Portland basketball: Pilots open WCC play Saturday at Gonzaga

What was supposed to be a rebuilding year for the Portland Pilots is showing signs of becoming more productive.

At 12-3, the Pilots head into Saturday's West Coast Conference opener against the Gonzaga Bulldogs in Spokane looking as if they might be able to at least throw scares into perennial favorites Gonzaga and Saint Mary's.

"I think we've performed like a top-three team in the conference," Portland coach Eric Reveno said. "We've had a heck of a non-conference season, but you've got to just keep winning.

"You don't want to be the team that's recognized in Portland as having the best non-conference record in school history. They don't make a banner for that."

Conference play begins Thursday with two games -- Saint Mary's at Loyola Marymount at 6 p.m. on ESPNU, and San Diego at Pepperdine at 7 p.m. All eight teams will be in action Saturday, with the Portland-Gonzaga game in Spokane at 5:30 p.m. on FSN.

The Pilots are drawing what is likely to be one of their toughest tests of the regular season Saturday, taking on the 10-time defending WCC regular-season champions at the McCarthey Athletic Center -- where the Bulldogs are an impressive 82-5 since the arena opened in 2004-05.

Gonzaga returns four starters from last season's team that finished 27-7 and lost to Syracuse in the second round of the NCAA Tournament. After some early-season struggles, the Bulldogs (10-5) have won six consecutive games, including Sunday's 73-63 victory at Wake Forest.

The Bulldogs also have owned the series with Portland, winning the last 14 games against the Pilots and 27 of 28 since the 1996-97 season. Portland's only win during the stretch came on Feb. 19, 2003 when the Pilots edged Gonzaga 72-68 in Spokane.

"I think with Gonzaga, the big mistake is to read too much into their December results," Reveno said. "Their schedule has been unbelievable, and I've seen nothing from them that would make me think that they're not still the favorite."

Three WCC teams begin conference play ranked among the top 50 in Rating Percentage Index (RPI) according to figures released Tuesday by the NCAA: Portland (37), Saint Mary's (41), and Gonzaga (44).

Those numbers could be important in March when the NCAA selection committee hands out at-large bids to its new 68-team tournament bracket, but they're also likely to change significantly between now and the March 4-7 WCC Tournament in Las Vegas.

"I don't know how good we can be, which is kind of fun, because last year we were more of a known commodity," Reveno said. "This team is different in that I think we're pretty good, but we could be better."

Reveno had very few complaints after last week's final tune-up, an 88-79 victory over Utah that extended the Pilots' winning streak to five games and improved their record at the Chiles Center to 8-0.

"I love our record, first and foremost, but secondly I love the fact that we've had the opportunity to learn from good programs," Reveno said. "We've been tested every time ... and every game we've learned something new about ourselves.

"We can do a lot of things better. At the same time, you've got to appreciate that the guys have worked hard. People who have been around the program for awhile know that what this team is doing is a nice accomplishment."

Picked for fifth in the preseason coaches' poll, the consensus was that Portland might struggle adjusting to the loss of four starters from last season's 21-11 team. But the Pilots have made a smooth transition to a new starting lineup that consists of seniors Kramer Knutson, Luke Sikma and Jared Stohl, and juniors Nemanja Mitrovic and Eric Waterford.

The Pilots also are getting solid contributions from four newcomers -- sophomore Derrick Rodgers, and freshmen Riley Barker, Tim Douglas and Tanner Riley -- who have seen most of the playing time off the bench through the first 15 games.

"We've just got a really balanced team," Stohl said. "We rely on our defense to win games, and anybody on our team can score when we need them to. We've got a lot of unselfish guys on our team, and that's what has allowed us to be successful so far.

"It's going to be a tough conference, as usual. But if we play our 'A' game, I think we'll be somewhere in the top three."

Stohl, the school's all-time leader in three-point field goals, and Mitrovic have done most of the Pilots' scoring, averaging a combined 27.8 points a game, while connecting on more three-pointers (93 for 187) than any guard combo in the nation.

Sikma is the only WCC player currently averaging double figures in points (12.4) and rebounds (10.7), and Waterford has been steady at the point guard spot with 17 assists and only two turnovers in his last five starts.

"I don't think we're trying to set any expectations for ourselves," Mitrovic said. "Our only expectation is to keep playing the way we've been playing. If we do that, I think we have a good chance to make a run at a league title."

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Re: Collision course: Portland vs. Gonzaga -- Round 1.

Post by Stonehouse on Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:59 am

OK... we got to get this thread fired up. One day away!!!

Here's a fun little stat... if Gonzaga were to beat us, we would be their "best" (as in, highest-ranked RPI team) win of the season:

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_408_Men.html

Now, naturally, if we were to beat them, they would also be our best win, but still... if you would have told Zag fans before the season if they were to beat Portland to start WCC play it would be their highest-ranked RPI win, they would have all probably jumped off a bridge.

Just a further point on how amazing of a job the Pilots have done this season, winning games and scheduling brilliantly.

As for the game - obviously I'm nervous. I wouldn't say I'm despondant, but I'd be lying if I said I was confident heading into it. I think, for me, the trick is that I'm still not sure how good we are. Last season, when Nik was healthy and we were firing on all cylinders, I had a handle on how good we could be and definitely felt like we could beat just about anyone.

But this year... I don't know. It's hard for me to really conceptualize how good we can be, probably because we weren't competitive with Kentucky at all and while we made games of it against UW and WSU for a while, both teams really pulled away. Then again, we're good enough to beat all the other teams on our schedule, many of which are very solid. But how good are we really? All I know is that we're going to need to be really darn good to beat the Zags.

Reveno himself said it:

"I don't know how good we can be, which is kind of fun, because last year we were more of a known commodity," Reveno said. "This team is different in that I think we're pretty good, but we could be better."

To beat GU, we're going to need to shoot well, but only taking what they give us - as several teams have learned the hard way, if you over-commit at guarding the perimiter our interior guys can get the job done too. Defense is going to be the key, especially in the paint - Sacre is a big body and very athletic, and Harris seems to have shaken his lingering injuries. Knutson vs. Sacre and Sikma vs. Harris are going to be crucial. Would love to see us get Sacre in foul trouble - he's not particularly skilled in his footwork and relies on a power game, so if we could draw some player control fould on him (something we've been very good at ever since Rev came on board), that could be big.

I'm interested to see what we do with Rodgers... something tells me he is going to see a lot of minutes on Steven Gray, through perhaps not given Gray's height advantage.

But really, ifwe're going to pull it off, it's going to take the classic underdog recipe: good shooting for us, poor shooting for them, good rebounding, and taking care of the ball.

Can we do it? Well... a lot of things will have to go right for us, and a lot of things wrong for them. But yes, it's possible. Still, if we are competitive (i.e. within single digits), I'll be encouraged and have a better handle on how good this team really is.

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Re: Collision course: Portland vs. Gonzaga -- Round 1.

Post by DTLegend on Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:04 pm

This is civil war in my family. Two of my older siblings went to Gonzaga. Actually my sister used to work for Mark Few back when Monson was the coach. She doesn't care about basketball though so it was no big deal for her. So they went to GU, My little sister and I went to UP, so its split. I have yet to experience a Pilot win over the zags since I've started following the team. It would be awesome to be one more notch in their L column.

I agree with Stoney, I wouldn't say I'm confident, but I'm optimistic and hopeful and I believe that there is a chance, which is saying something considering where we were just three years ago. We really don't have anything to lose tomorrow night so who knows what could happen. Some of the people on the Zags board are scared which again is amazing considering where this team was when Rev took over.

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Re: Collision course: Portland vs. Gonzaga -- Round 1.

Post by Rochin54 on Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:42 pm

I think we have trouble responding to tough, physical pressure defense. Gonzaga has struggled a bit on defense, but has the ability to play tough, physical pressure defense. I think Gonzaga's defense is the key to the game. We're able to win if they can't get out and pressure well, and they win if they can body us up from under the bucket to out by the half court line.

A plus, I believe that GU students are not technically back in the dorms yet. That may hurt the zags defensive cause.

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Re: Collision course: Portland vs. Gonzaga -- Round 1.

Post by DaTruRochin on Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:22 pm

I don't think there's any question who is the more talented of the two teams, the Zags game all comes down to mental toughness, especially when they aren't clicking. When they lose, they force the issue, grow lax on defense and wear their frustration on their sleeve.

Fortunately we do have the shooters to get back into games if there is an early deficit. I think in order to win, the pilots are going to have to shoot well throughout AND play tough defense forcing GU out of their game. It might be difficult, and even require some luck, but beating the Zags at home is a real possibility. I mean heck, even Casey Frandsen managed to do it once...

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Post by onetouchfutbol on Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:44 pm

DaTruRochin wrote:I don't think there's any question who is the more talented of the two teams, the Zags game all comes down to mental toughness, especially when they aren't clicking. When they lose, they force the issue, grow lax on defense and wear their frustration on their sleeve.

Fortunately we do have the shooters to get back into games if there is an early deficit. I think in order to win, the pilots are going to have to shoot well throughout AND play tough defense forcing GU out of their game. It might be difficult, and even require some luck, but beating the Zags at home is a real possibility. I mean heck, even Casey Frandsen managed to do it once...

I agree. I personally like our chances at home much better than this one. Gonzaga can't keep beating us by avoiding last minute shots or 3s forever when they visit our building... However, I think that we are clearly a better road team than last year, and we are playing the 2-3 zone better on the road as well. We have a group of guys who know the system and are unselfish. One thing that makes me optimistic is that last years' team peaked kind of early...maybe even as early as the UCLA game. This team hasn't peaked yet.

Let's be honest. Do we deserve our RPI ranking to be as high as it is? Probably not. Our strength of schedule comes partly from losing to very good teams. On the flip side, our team really has no embarrassing losses. Every team that we've lost to is legitimately better than us in my opinion. So the question is: can we put it all together? Can Stohl and Mitrovic hit their shots against superior perimeter defense? Can everyone keep playing their role? Sikma--getting more boards? Waterford/Douglas playing heady ball. I don't see any reason why not... I think of Gonzaga's talent level as being similar to WSU's. It's a winnable game, and at the same time, we have to play our best game of the season...

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Re: Collision course: Portland vs. Gonzaga -- Round 1.

Post by Geezaldinho on Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:22 pm

this post I got off the Zag board will make you smile.


U Zig, I Zag
Zag for Life


Overall Pilot fans are a good bunch and pretty classy. Like most Portlanders they are probably stoned most the time, that's where the easy-breazy attitude comes in, but still.

I can't say I have the same opinion of mr Zag. His comment is pretty funny from a place that produced Josh Heytvelt and Theo Davis.

Remember Josh? he's the fellow who was seen at Portland Airport the morning before he got busted in Cheney, was late for practice, then was arrested for Marijuana and 'shroom possession that evening. I've wondered why he had to come to Portland that day. Making "connections" at PDX? I wonder if he thought no one in town would recognize a seven footer in Zag gear.


I suppose the Zag faithful remember that whole incident as Broken tail lights. Maybe they have memory lapses...wonder why?


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Re: Collision course: Portland vs. Gonzaga -- Round 1.

Post by PurplePrideTrumpet on Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:50 pm

"Bro-ken tail-light" would have been a BRILLIANT chant for Heytvelt. jocolor

As usual, they have it all wrong.

Portlanders are all on meth. Just ask the "people" on Sounders boards.

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Re: Collision course: Portland vs. Gonzaga -- Round 1.

Post by up7587 on Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:42 am

Rev is focused! From his twitter:
Trying very hard to prepare for Gonzaga...even think like Coach Few, the whole deal. I think I will go fly fishing this afternoon.
Wonder if he caught anything?

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Re: Collision course: Portland vs. Gonzaga -- Round 1.

Post by MesaPilot1 on Sat Jan 08, 2011 2:26 am

I believe the key to the game will by be how well Sikma & Knutson control the inside.Which will help Stohl & Nem get open....this is Rev's first class of four year players and this is the first year I believe the Pilot's will show some composure in Spunkane ,and don't have to spot them a 20 pt. lead ten minutes into the game and then play even with the zags the rest of the way. Hopefully the game will not be like the Kentucky fiasco, and should the zags win, it is a competitive game. This years team has shown me much more then the 09-10 team...last year down 11 [two separate times] in the 2nd half to a good team like Utah the Pilots would have folded the tents and gone home....It's refreshing to see the Pilots with their "young"team scratch (4 seniors in first six guys) performing so well Very Happy

I have no doubt that Rodgers will be right in Gray's face during crunch time and it may be the break out performance for the future defensive WCC POY.. .......DTR, the players all thought he had "Pargo size" when they met him...and that hasn't changed, maybe your mistaking Rodgers with Timmy. He has plenty of athletic ability to guard Gray (I wish were a better outside shot though, lol)Regardless, I love all the new mix of players we have this year, along with the two co-captains Sikma & Knutson, the stability of Stohl, emergence of NEM, our three guard's, Jasonns muscle & hook shot off the bench, Big Red....and just think of the three other talented frosh (including Bailey our RS) who would have all would started three years ago,coach is improving the talent pool progressively every year. This year we have finally signed a highly regarded national recruit out of California......Pilot fortunes are only getting better as Rev navigates the ship through the sea's which we call college basketball.

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Re: Collision course: Portland vs. Gonzaga -- Round 1.

Post by ShipstadPilot11 on Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:46 am

I can't say that I expect us to win but I expect us to be competitive, make Gonzaga fans sweat and give ourselves a chance to win.

I think Mesa is right, our inside play from Luke and Kramer (and hopefully some good physical minutes from Jasonn) will dictate the game. We've seen them carry the team before when opponents have tightened up the perimeter so hopefully they can contribute well tonight. It's hard for Jared and Nem to sneak up on people when we are the #1 3-point shooting team in the country!

If we should happen to win, what should I do? I was considering rushing the court but I don't know that the folks (security) at MAC would appreciate that. My backup plan is to walk around the concourse in my Pilot shirt until all the Zag fans are gone. Smile Thoughts?

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Re: Collision course: Portland vs. Gonzaga -- Round 1.

Post by onetouchfutbol on Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:03 am

I don't think we can talk about our inside game without mentioning Hannibal's contributions this year. His back door cuts and dunks have offered some unexpected points that have really been key in some games in my opinion, and he's one of the few players we have big enough to put a body on Sacre (besides Sikma and Knutson) and hopefully block out effectively. We need his 6-8 points and all of his fouls so we don't miss a beat if Sikma or Kramer go to the bench. We need all three of our big guys to play well to win this game...to contribute down low and also hopefully set picks/screens for Mitrovic and Stohl. Hannibal's play is one of the reason that Riley Barker's minutes are more hit and miss. In my opinion, he's having his best year so far...

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Re: Collision course: Portland vs. Gonzaga -- Round 1.

Post by Rob's Jacket on Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:35 am

onetouchfutbol wrote:I don't think we can talk about our inside game without mentioning Hannibal's contributions this year. His back door cuts and dunks have offered some unexpected points that have really been key in some games in my opinion, and he's one of the few players we have big enough to put a body on Sacre (besides Sikma and Knutson) and hopefully block out effectively. We need his 6-8 points and all of his fouls so we don't miss a beat if Sikma or Kramer go to the bench. We need all three of our big guys to play well to win this game...to contribute down low and also hopefully set picks/screens for Mitrovic and Stohl. Hannibal's play is one of the reason that Riley Barker's minutes are more hit and miss. In my opinion, he's having his best year so far...

Absolutely right. Without Jasonn, we don't shut down Samhan and beat SMC at home last year. If we're going to keep a lid on the Zags' bigs, he has to be able to body up Sacre.

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Post by DaTruRochin on Sat Jan 08, 2011 4:00 pm

Nice of the Zags to bounce the game off ESPN2 in favor of a Harlem Globetrotter replay.... Ehlo and Heister might make my brain implode on itself...

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Re: Collision course: Portland vs. Gonzaga -- Round 1.

Post by tmac2218 on Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:13 pm

Craig Ehlo is unbearable. Not because of his ridiculous homerism, but because he's a complete idiot.

Pilots offense hasn't looked too good so far. Luckily the defense has been solid enough that the few 3's we've hit are keeping us in it. We need to keep forcing them to shoot outside.

47-29. The Zags are manhandling us. Turnovers - Pilots 11, Zags 5. Points off TO's - Pilots 0, Zags 12(?) Free throws: Pilots 0-0, Gonzaga 10-11. They're also shooting 7-15 behind the arc. Gray getting whatever he wants. Moenninghoff making tough 3's. Sacre dominating the post (7-8 FT's). It's not looking good, but hopefully the guys can make a push early in the 2nd half and get this to single digits.

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Re: Collision course: Portland vs. Gonzaga -- Round 1.

Post by up7587 on Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:37 pm

What hurts most is getting out-hustled. GU are obviously better athletes, but they are getting points by working harder. Gray going to the floor to tip to Goodson for a breakaway. Easy put back because no one blocked out. Sad

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Re: Collision course: Portland vs. Gonzaga -- Round 1.

Post by up7587 on Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:03 pm

Really? Zags used a PA guy to tell the crowd to get up and yell?

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Re: Collision course: Portland vs. Gonzaga -- Round 1.

Post by dholcombe on Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:09 pm

up7587 wrote:Really? Zags used a PA guy to tell the crowd to get up and yell?

Because we've been kicking their ass this half. Hopefully we can keep the pressure up. Too bad that the first half wasn't a bit better.

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Re: Collision course: Portland vs. Gonzaga -- Round 1.

Post by up7587 on Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:12 pm

Well, "kicking their ass" until a couple dumb TO's and poor shot choices gave them a quick 10 point run.

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Re: Collision course: Portland vs. Gonzaga -- Round 1.

Post by DaTruRochin on Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:30 pm

$%@&!#

Bah, that game put me in a bad mood. And that was with the volume on mute....

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