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Post by Geezaldinho on Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:44 pm

Virginia and UNC played to a tie in their ACC tournament match today.

Counts as 1/2 win, 1/2 loss for each team.

UNC moves on in the tournament as a result of the shootout (4-2)

Good things keep happening! Very Happy

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Post by FANatic on Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:09 pm

Thanks for the update, Geez. It's so nice to come to this forum and find out new info several times a day from different members who seem to focus on certain things. It makes the info for people like me, (kinda slow), more complete and well-rounded. I am gaining so much knowlege from everyone. It's great!

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Post by Geezaldinho on Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:25 pm

Woo Hoo!!

Pen State, near the top in the RPI, was tied by Ohio State in the Big10 tournament. Then Ohio State wins in the shootout! Penn State is done for the regular season.
OSU will meet Purdue for the Big 10 championship.

Also, Oregon got a tie with Stanford, another team near the top of the rankings and RPI.

Less important, Texas and Oklahoma State tied, with Texas moving on in the shootout.
Texas and Texas A&M will play in the Big12 Championship game.

That number 1 seed is starting to look better and better.

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Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:06 am

In the "unadjusted" RPI I now have us at #6, ahead of Stanford -- Thank you, Ducks -- and just behind Texas A&M. It looks like UCLA, North Carolina, and Penn State will finish ahead of us in the RPI no matter what. But, we could sneak into, or come very close to, #4 if we win tomorrow night and Texas beats or ties A&M and Wazoo beats USC. It's getting really interesting.

Even if we don't make it to #4, what we want is for it to be close enough that the Tournament Committee gets to the secondary criteria and looks at the last 8 games.

I saw us with only a very small chance for one of the #1 seeds only last week, but now it's starting to look like it might be possible. Hook 'em Horns, Bite 'em Cougars, and Chew on 'em Beavers!

Plus, let's all root for Florida State over North Carolina, Cal State Fullerton over Cal Poly, and Purdue over Ohio State, all of which wins would help our RPI.

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Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:55 am

I couldn't help myself so, notwithstanding that it takes a bunch of work, I ran the adjusted RPI through yesterday's (Friday's) games. Remember, I'm not sure I have the right adjustment formula, but I'm very close (after corrections, I had the top 50 right after last weekend's games, except for four spots (below the top 20) where I had two teams in reverse order.

There's bad news and good news.

The bad news: With the adjustments, right now we're at #8, with Stanford having jumped back ahead of us and with Georgia ahead of us too.

The good news: If we win tonight, we will be back ahead of Georgia and just barely behind A&M and Stanford and possibly within reach of USC. So last night's basic message still stands: Hook 'em Horns (Texas v. A&M), Chew 'em Beavers (v. Stanford), and Bite 'em Cougs (WSU v. USC). Just on principle, and also for the Pilots' benefit, let's root for Florida State over UNC, too.

By the way, Texas won its first two games in the Big 12 Tournament and will play A&M in the finals tomorrow. Pretty good, right? Not according to the RPI. Texas won both games in shootouts. Its RPI position dropped from 20 to 26.

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Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:21 am

Way to go Pilots! Great win tonight.

So, I was wrong about where we would be if the Pilots won! I've just entered all today's data and my computer says that right now, we're at #5. (Remember, as I always say, I'm not sure I have the bonus point adjustments right, but am very close.) We're barely ahead of TAMU, Stanford, Georgia, and Tennessee. And, just barely behind USC. It looks like North Carolina, UCLA, and Penn State are locks for being in the top four no matter what. But after that, it's really close.

So, who are we for? The Longhorns, the Beavs, and the Cougs. And, let's add the Seminoles and the Gators. Tennessee is done with its games, so no one to root for there.

And, here's more info about the RPI: San Diego beat San Francisco. Great for the Torreros, right? Well, not exactly. San Diego has dropped from #10 to #15 in the RPI! Why? Because San Francisco's record is so poor, its effect on the second element of San Diego's RPI (strength of schedule) far outweighed San Diego's improvement to an already outstanding won-loss-tie record.

And, another RPI feature: The best thing for the Pilots tonight, other than their win, was that Arizona State dropped from #40 in the RPI to #41! Why? Because the cut off for the highest bonus points for wins over teams is at team #40. So, the bonuses for Pac 10 teams that beat Arizona State (i.e., UCLA, USC, and Stanford) dropped substantially because of the inner workings of the RPI even though Arizona State played its last game yesterday.

Go figure!

I'm trying to position things so that I can put out my version of a final "regular season" RPI either late tomorrow night or before noon on Monday, so those of you who are interested can have fun with it before the NCAA announces the Tournament bracket and where the opening round games will be played. I'm sure we'll all be watching the final games tomorrow!

GO PILOTS!

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Post by A_Fan on Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:34 am

Texas is up 1-0 at 29:00 in the first half. A&M has 9 shots to Texas' 4..

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Post by Geezaldinho on Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:23 pm

Texas is now up 2-0 in the 56th minute!

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Post by Geezaldinho on Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:28 pm

Arghh!

Texas took out it's scorers to bunker up, and A&M scored in the 65th minute.

Now the Texas scorers are back in.

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Post by Geezaldinho on Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:53 pm

Texas wins!! 2-1 they were getting blasted at the end, but held on.

Another one bites the dust!

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Post by A_Fan on Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:08 pm

Yes, A&M was really pressing them at the end. They had a shot advantage of 33-8. Wow.

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Post by Geezaldinho on Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:21 pm

West Virginia and Notre Dame tied 1-1

WVA wins the shootout 5-3

Not sure how that affects us, but I'm sure UPSoccerFanatic will be able to sort it out tonight.

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Post by Bluffdweller on Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:33 pm

USC loses 2-1 to WSU. I like our chances!

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Post by Geezaldinho on Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:32 pm

The Washington State win gives them the 5th best record in the Pac 10.

Last year, that was good enough for a bid, and I think the conference RPI is better this year.

I hope UPSoccerFanatic is madly crunching numbers....

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Post by Bluffdweller on Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:05 pm

Fanatic, we are waiting for your magic.

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Post by Stonehouse on Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:40 pm

AWESOME news about WSU. Way to go Cougs!

But but but... I heard a bit of disconcerting news yesterday. I don't know if it's 100% true, but the rumor I heard is that the NCAA considers Washington State to be either 354 or 357 miles away from Portland, putting it OUTSIDE of the 350 mile radius. Can you believe it?

Again, I don't know if this is true or not, but I think we should be focusing on winning a #1 seed instead of counting on a WSU bid allowing us to host.

I swear to God, if we don't get a one seed, WSU makes it in, and we STILL have to travel, I will probably strangle someone.

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Post by Geezaldinho on Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:09 pm

I've been doing some reading . The NCAA counts airport to airport, and WSU flies from Spokane, just within the limit. The admins got a ruling on that.

Here's some quotes from the NCAA tournament handbook, allegedly the official guide.
http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/soccer/2007/2007_d1_w_soocer_handbook.pdf

Selection Criteria
The following criteria shall be employed by a governing sports committee in selecting
participants for NCAA championships competition [Bylaw 31.3.3; Criteria for Selec-
tion of Participants]:
• Won-lost record;
• Strength of schedule; and
• Eligibility and availability of student-athletes for NCAA championships;
In addition to Bylaw 31.3.3, the women’s soccer committee has received approval
from the Division I Championships/Competition Cabinet to consider the following
criteria in the selection of at-large teams for the soccer championship (not necessarily
in priority order):
1. Won-lost Record (25 percent)
2. Strength of Schdeule (50 percent)
3. Opponent’s strength of schedule (25 percent)
4. Bonus/penalty system
(Committee use of the RPI is provided in Appendix I)
• Head-to-head competition.
• Results versus common opponents.
Secondary Criteria
If the evaluation of the primary criteria does not result in a decision, the secondary
criteria will be reviewed. All the criteria listed will be evaluated.
• Results versus teams already selected to participate in the field (including
automatic qualifiers with and RPI of 1-75)
• Late season performance - defined as the last 8 games including
conference tournaments (strength and results).




Pairings
[Reference: Bylaw 31.1.3 in the NCAA Division I Manual.]
The top 16 teams identified by the committee will be seeded in the bracket. The
seeded teams will all be a separate first and second round sites. The committee has been
given approval by the Championships Competition Cabinet to place the top 16 seeds in
pods of four. There will be four number ones, four number twos, four number threes,
and four number fours. The remaining 48 teams will be paired geographically. First-
round conference matchups will be avoided. The commitee will use www.mappoint.
msn.com when establishing the mileage for travel. Teams withing 350 miles of each
other will be required to drive.

1)A couple interesting things to note- The rpi, etc is selection criteria, not necessarily seeding of pairing criteria.

2) The pairings are based on the 16 top seeds, they are to be at separate sites. It is the bottom 48 teams that are to be paired geographically, NOT the top 16 seeds They have been doing it wrong all along

3) the 350 mile rule just specifies that teams within the 350 mile radius have to use ground transportation---NOTHING ELSE

There may be other rulings that are doubleTopSecret we don't know about, but these are the ones that are published.

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Post by Geezaldinho on Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:13 pm

And a little more reading makes it quite clear what the criteria for venue selection are to be.....

Dates and Sites
[Reference: Bylaw 31.1.3 in the NCAA Division I Manual.]
General Requirements. All games will be played at sites and times determined
by the NCAA Division I Women’s Soccer Committee. The actual playing times of
preliminary-round games of the championships shall be determined by the women’s
soccer committee. All rounds of the championship (except the semifinals and final) will
be conducted on the campus of one of the participating institutions.
To assist the committees in selecting sites, an evaluation will be made of institutional
facilities to determine if they are acceptable for championship play.
A facility-evaluation form is available on the NCAA Web site at www.ncaa.org/
sports/champadmin.
In addition to the quality and availability of facilities, the Division I Women’s
Soccer Committee applies the selection criteria to assist in determining the host
sites. Institutions who desire to host one or more rounds of the championship (except
semifinals and final) must complete the budget packet (online) by October 12.
Neutral sites (i.e., off-campus sites or facilities not used during the regular season)
are not permitted unless approved in advance by the Women’s Soccer Committee.

It's in the second paragraph--


the criteria to be used are
1) suitability of the site for championship play. there is no better site than Merlo
2) selection criteria That to me means the higher seeds get preference


Again, there is no mention whatsoever of selecting due to geographical proximity of any of the institutions. There is only suitability of the site for championship play and selection criteria mentioned.

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