Offensive Uncertainty
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Offensive Uncertainty
We are obviously unsettled as to which lineup is the most proficient offensely. It appears that our freshman Capelle has been our best scoring threat to date. Last night one of the Cal Northridge broadcasters let slip that Capelle was "dominating" the game at one point. Is there a need to tweak the starting lineup. Are our other highly regarded freshman all behind Capelle? What role will Frisbie, Parker and Bridges play offensively this year? What role for Taylor Brooke, who also has helped offensively? Is Kremenski the right choice to start? Is Foxhoven hurt, or is there something she is not doing that Garrett wants her to do?
The Pilot offense is sputtering . . .should changes be made to address the problem, particularly before we head matches with more skilled opponents.
The Pilot offense is sputtering . . .should changes be made to address the problem, particularly before we head matches with more skilled opponents.
wrv- Pilot Nation Regular

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Re: Offensive Uncertainty
I think a lot of it has to do with finding that new play maker that we've been blessed with over the last little stretch, a la, Megan Rapinoe and Michelle Enyeart. Obviously those are very difficult shoes to fill... Foxhoven is most effective when used as a pure finisher, consistently putting in created chances and feasting on defensive miscues, but in order to have those opportunities you need someone wreaking havoc on the defense and setting the tone for the rest of the offense to play around.
I think a lot of our offense in the past has relied on creativity and speed from the wings, I guess the biggest question is, who steps up and fills in that void??
I think a lot of our offense in the past has relied on creativity and speed from the wings, I guess the biggest question is, who steps up and fills in that void??

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Re: Offensive Uncertainty
Before someone determines who should play where on offense, they need to determine "how" they want the team to play offense.
For example, as one citizen of the Pilot Nation has stated....
“The Pilots play a patient, possession oriented game. They are not a long ball team. This requires finesse and touch and coordination. My experience over several years is that it takes time for that to come together under game conditions.”
And as another member states.....
“I think a lot of our offense in the past has relied on creativity and speed from the wings ….. (we) need someone (a la, Megan Rapinoe and Michelle Enyeart) wreaking havoc on the defense and setting the tone for the rest of the offense to play around.”
Sounds like two differant approaches to me.
In addition, the Pilots defense got beat up last night (more on that later).The Pilots need to determine how they react to pushy, physical play.
Megan Rapinoe's name has already come up, but when she played her attitude was "You step on my toe, I'll chop off your foot." Where she grew up (California), that is how the game is played.
Someone needs to make some hard choices.
For example, as one citizen of the Pilot Nation has stated....
“The Pilots play a patient, possession oriented game. They are not a long ball team. This requires finesse and touch and coordination. My experience over several years is that it takes time for that to come together under game conditions.”
And as another member states.....
“I think a lot of our offense in the past has relied on creativity and speed from the wings ….. (we) need someone (a la, Megan Rapinoe and Michelle Enyeart) wreaking havoc on the defense and setting the tone for the rest of the offense to play around.”
Sounds like two differant approaches to me.
In addition, the Pilots defense got beat up last night (more on that later).The Pilots need to determine how they react to pushy, physical play.
Megan Rapinoe's name has already come up, but when she played her attitude was "You step on my toe, I'll chop off your foot." Where she grew up (California), that is how the game is played.
Someone needs to make some hard choices.
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Re: Offensive Uncertainty
I am not worried that the offense will produce. The good news is that there are lot of players who can score and a lot of depth. Also, it is great to have a spark off the bench, depending on how the game is going. Still, 42 shots in the first 2 games is pretty darn good and I think it will simply be a matter of time before they find the back of the net more regularly. It always takes a little more time to gel offensively, so I think patience is in order.
In another thread it was stated that the tourney committee doesn't take into account scores, so if the team does their job with team defense, our worst case should be a tie. To win, we just need one more goal than the opponent. Sounds easy, huh..........?
In another thread it was stated that the tourney committee doesn't take into account scores, so if the team does their job with team defense, our worst case should be a tie. To win, we just need one more goal than the opponent. Sounds easy, huh..........?
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Re: Offensive Uncertainty
Agreed UPFAN.

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Re: Offensive Uncertainty
I wish we had scored more, but I also agree - We had a LOT of good shots this game. We'll get them in later. The game was a good illustration, though, of why you DO need to score and provide yourself a cushion against a lucky break.
Uncle John - I don't really see any conflict between the approaches you list. Finesse, touch, patient, possession-oriented, coordination, a player sometimes wreaking havoc, speed and runs from the wings, not relying on the long ball - Sounds like a good approach to me.
Uncle John - I don't really see any conflict between the approaches you list. Finesse, touch, patient, possession-oriented, coordination, a player sometimes wreaking havoc, speed and runs from the wings, not relying on the long ball - Sounds like a good approach to me.

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Re: Offensive Uncertainty
Fan from Afar,
I agree. The best approach is to combine both types of offense. But unfortunately, the team is currently not playing either way well right now.
I know this team is good, especially against other teams in the WCC, but last year against more crafty, physical, and aggressive teams (i.e teams in the top 20) I personally have not seen UP play with the enough 'bite'.
In my opinion, I think this team has he right players to do so, but they are not given enough free reign to play the way they intuitively know how to.
I think most team sports (especially sports like soccer, basketball, and american football) are played at their best when played intuitively, creatively, and with plenty of speed.
Again, this only my opinion.
I agree. The best approach is to combine both types of offense. But unfortunately, the team is currently not playing either way well right now.
I know this team is good, especially against other teams in the WCC, but last year against more crafty, physical, and aggressive teams (i.e teams in the top 20) I personally have not seen UP play with the enough 'bite'.
In my opinion, I think this team has he right players to do so, but they are not given enough free reign to play the way they intuitively know how to.
I think most team sports (especially sports like soccer, basketball, and american football) are played at their best when played intuitively, creatively, and with plenty of speed.
Again, this only my opinion.
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UJ - I am at a little disadvantage, being this far away and only being able to catch a few games live each year. But, as to whether the players are playing under too much structure (too much restriction), from what little I have seen, I would probably disagree with you. I think Garrett insists they play with patience with lots of passing, and with the players they have now, I think he wants them to stress playing down the wings and then in. But, I have also seen them play in through Sophie and Keelin and then forward. I think the attack has been pretty varied. Now that I have seen the first game, I feel much better about the way we played. I saw two problems in the game, both of which will be corrected. 1- We finished poorly, and 2- there were a LOT of passes that just missed connecting around the box. Correct either of those problems, and we have 3-4 goals. Correct both and we have maybe 6-7 goals. The goals will come.
As far as playing with bite against top 20 teams, it's hard to say a team with Sophie, Keelin, Cloee etc doesn't play with enough bite, but the results from the past few years speak for themselves, and you may have a point there. TAMU and UCLA seemed to take us completely out of our possession game last year.
As far as playing with bite against top 20 teams, it's hard to say a team with Sophie, Keelin, Cloee etc doesn't play with enough bite, but the results from the past few years speak for themselves, and you may have a point there. TAMU and UCLA seemed to take us completely out of our possession game last year.

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Re: Offensive Uncertainty
Fan From Afar,
Thanks for the very insightful analysis. Let's hope for a successfull and entertaining season.
Uncle John
Thanks for the very insightful analysis. Let's hope for a successfull and entertaining season.
Uncle John
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wrv wrote:We are obviously unsettled as to which lineup is the most proficient offensely. It appears that our freshman Capelle has been our best scoring threat to date. Last night one of the Cal Northridge broadcasters let slip that Capelle was "dominating" the game at one point. Is there a need to tweak the starting lineup. Are our other highly regarded freshman all behind Capelle? What role will Frisbie, Parker and Bridges play offensively this year? What role for Taylor Brooke, who also has helped offensively? Is Kremenski the right choice to start? Is Foxhoven hurt, or is there something she is not doing that Garrett wants her to do?
The Pilot offense is sputtering . . .should changes be made to address the problem, particularly before we head matches with more skilled opponents.
Lets not trust sunday's sportscasters for any reliable information on how the game was played.
I think to say "sputtering" isn't entirely accurate, since no one here has a first-hand account of sunday's game, and the opposition keeper kept PSU in the game with a few good saves on friday. We created chances, the team just took some time to send one home. We're two games into a 20-odd game season, and we don't have several of the key sources of offense that we had last year.
We've lost Michelle, easily the most explosive attacker we had up the middle, and our outside mids are slightly above 50% efficiency compared to last year. This team isn't hitting on all cylinders yet (and really shouldn't be expected to be, on the first weekend of the season), and we still managed many good scoring opportunities and two wins.
We need to be more physical, and more aggressive. Coach G knows this - did anyone else notice the increased amount of fouls we committed on sunday? Last season, we had a total of 166 fouls. Thats 7 a game. On sunday, we committed 18. It was 10 on Friday. Also, how many times did we see shots from outside the box last season?
The reason we aren't scoring a lot right now is because the team hasn't played this way in games before. Garret seems to be encouraging a more physical, and less refined finishing style in the front end.When the passes inside weren't working on Friday (because of the bunker defense, but the same will be true of a non-bunker better D), we noticeably went to the outside shots and longer crosses in the second half (on top of the outside shots from the first half - I think winters had a very nice one that required a great save). That was a tactic we did not take last season - last season, we kept sending it in until it worked, and our offense paid the price against physical, tough teams (remember the OSU game?). Remember when we scored from outside the box last season, and the player apologized for taking the shot?
I think this is great. The team is learning how to score without stringing 20 passes together and putting it on Dani's foot at 8 yards. We're going to need this new skillset to produce consistent offensive numbers when we go deeper into the season and start playing some really good teams. I'm betting the bigger players (especially our two seniors in the middle) will post some nice numbers in both goals and assists, and I'm expecting our more finesse attackers (who at this point seem to be Dani and her understudy, Capelle) to clean up a lot of garbage. I'd be surprised to ever see Dani and Capelle on the field at the same time.
In my opinion, we're going to need to convince the better teams that we have more weapons than the 8-yard shot from Dani. We do that, and we force them to actually defend above the 18 yard box, which frees up space everywhere.
I'll also note - one of our more lethal methods of scoring last season was in transition - another reason friday's game was so close is that there was no transition.
Shorter: There is no problem. Garret is (in my opinion) changing the offensive philosophy to be more effective against better teams, and the team is still learning how to play in the new system. Expect more fouls, more physical play, and more shots from the outside. In terms of this weekend alone, we demolished PSU. Their keeper had great saves, and first-game nerves (imo) sent some shots off-target that wouldn't normally have been. Tougher to say on sunday, but we won.
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Re: Offensive Uncertainty
I'm not sure it' fair to call Micaelas score a tap-in.
From the article Jason Brough wrote, she gathered u.p a header from Kreminski at midfield and beat everyone to the goal and beat the keeper 1v1 5 yards out.
While technically, 5 yards out IS a tap in, some people would call that beating the defense with blazing speed.
Let's give it a it a couple more games where we can actually see what the team is doing before we judge on deficiencies.
I see this as pretty significant. Without great speed somewhere up the middle, teams will try to push the back line forward and clog the middle, force everything outside, and try and limit our game.
The treat of one person being able to break it wide open changes all that. For one thing, it gives us another 5 - 10 yards of space.
It's REALLY early yet for UP teams to have it all together.
From the article Jason Brough wrote, she gathered u.p a header from Kreminski at midfield and beat everyone to the goal and beat the keeper 1v1 5 yards out.
While technically, 5 yards out IS a tap in, some people would call that beating the defense with blazing speed.
Let's give it a it a couple more games where we can actually see what the team is doing before we judge on deficiencies.
I see this as pretty significant. Without great speed somewhere up the middle, teams will try to push the back line forward and clog the middle, force everything outside, and try and limit our game.
The treat of one person being able to break it wide open changes all that. For one thing, it gives us another 5 - 10 yards of space.
It's REALLY early yet for UP teams to have it all together.
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Re: Offensive Uncertainty
Oh. I hadn't read the article - I was going from the call. I should have compensated for rampant homerism.
Mea Culpa
(did anyone notice how the first line of my post said to not trust the sportscasters? good advice...)
Mea Culpa
(did anyone notice how the first line of my post said to not trust the sportscasters? good advice...)
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Re: Offensive Uncertainty
BigBro:
Outstanding write up man!
I feel better already!!
I just hope the girls are quick study's. Once the team starts playing the big(ger) dogs, starting with Oklahoma St. next Saturday, there is very little respite until after the Stanford game on Sept 25 (in Palo Alto).
That will be one tough (but entertaining) month of soccer.
Outstanding write up man!
I feel better already!!
I just hope the girls are quick study's. Once the team starts playing the big(ger) dogs, starting with Oklahoma St. next Saturday, there is very little respite until after the Stanford game on Sept 25 (in Palo Alto).
That will be one tough (but entertaining) month of soccer.
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Re: Offensive Uncertainty
I think that substituting Capelle for Danielle, particularly as early as occured on Sunday, following a similar substittution on Friday, implies that Garrett felt some change in the front line was beneficial and perhaps necessary, that the offense was not producing enough scoring opportunities. Seems obvious, I guess, until the experts weigh in. No one should discount Capelle's role, nor make too little of her play. Brooke also appears to be contributing. I have not heard, fopr instance, that Danielle is injured.(?)
It also appears that Capelle has moved ahead of the more highly regarded recruits who have yet to see the pitch. While all this may change, it is a delight to see her vault, however temporarily, to the head of this stellar class.
Compare this year's pattern of substitution with last year's at this point and I suspect you will note a difference, not just in the players on the pitch, but also in that more players are involved at more critical stages in the game. I agree that Garrett is trying to find his most effective lineup offensively; although this does not seem a particularly unusual thing for a coach to do, I do think there are reasons for it.
Let's hope that the goals come easier . . .
It also appears that Capelle has moved ahead of the more highly regarded recruits who have yet to see the pitch. While all this may change, it is a delight to see her vault, however temporarily, to the head of this stellar class.
Compare this year's pattern of substitution with last year's at this point and I suspect you will note a difference, not just in the players on the pitch, but also in that more players are involved at more critical stages in the game. I agree that Garrett is trying to find his most effective lineup offensively; although this does not seem a particularly unusual thing for a coach to do, I do think there are reasons for it.
Let's hope that the goals come easier . . .
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Re: Offensive Uncertainty
Ellen Parker and Amanda Frisbie have been hurt, so it's hard even to know what the starting lineup will be once they're able to play, much less what the sub pattern will be.
Although a good number of posters are concerned about offense, the one thing that leaves me a little unhappy is not offense but rather the CSN goal and the flurry at the end of the game. (They had 4 shots in the first 89:20 and four shots in the last 40 seconds.)
Although a good number of posters are concerned about offense, the one thing that leaves me a little unhappy is not offense but rather the CSN goal and the flurry at the end of the game. (They had 4 shots in the first 89:20 and four shots in the last 40 seconds.)

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