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Post by Geezaldinho on Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:42 am

DaTruRochin wrote:Aside: just saw a ref issue a yellow to a Chilean player for simulation, methinks Fifa is going to clamp down on this for the rest of the cup seeing that for all the complaining the vuvuzuela and whining about the ball, gamesmanship has been the main cause tainting the outcomes...


We'll see. That was the fourth simulation foul I've seen. There may have been more. It hasn't stopped the " I've been shot" antics so far. The red card in this game also involved some embellishment, I argue. There was an elbow to the neck, but There wasn't enough to warrant hands over the eyes.


Embellishment was certainly the difference between a yellow and a red.

A yellow for each player might have been more appropriate if stopping embellishment was on the agenda.

Who won there?
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Post by DaTruRochin on Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:54 am

Fair point, that straight red was definitely a yellow, but nothing more than that... But with the blown wide open chance off a brilliant build up, it seems karma was not working in the Swiss' favor, even if their shorthanded effort definitely deserved a tie.
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Post by Geezaldinho on Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:17 am

DaTruRochin wrote:
Yeah, but some might argue said gamesmanship was brought to the league by soccer players, or players that grew up playing a la Vlade Divac, Manu Ginobli, etc. (Although John Stockton and Dennis Rodman don't exactly fit that mold, you could easily argue that the eastern Euros and S. Americans have taken it to the next level)

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Post by Stonehouse on Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:22 am

Of course I'll concede that "simulation" happens in other sports... flopping for charges in basketball being the easiest thing to point out.

But soccer takes it to a whole different level. For whatever reason, referees react to seeing a player writhing on the ground by pulling out yellow cards and red cards, which can swing the balance of not only the game currently being played but the next game as well.

If you flop for a charge in basketball, it's a split-second decision... writhing in agony on the court is not going to get the referee to award an technical or a flagrant or kick someone out of the game.

Maybe the problem is the whole yellow/red card thing... clearly FIFA wants to crack down on rough play and has directed referees to give more cards, but with the seeming arbitrariness of which fouls warrant cards and not and with the problem of "simulation" clearly causing problems, maybe it would make more sense to move away from the cards and toward an NBA-like foul system. That would give more leeway and could possibly be more fair.

Do that, and add in a real post-game evaluation of video by a fourth official, and maybe, just maybe, you'll start to see some positive changes.

But really the problem is FIFA... for whatever reason, they revel in the controversy.
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Post by Geezaldinho on Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:25 am

Stonehouse wrote:

But really the problem is FIFA... for whatever reason, they revel in the controversy.

I agree there. Sepp Blatter has even said as much.
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Post by Stonehouse on Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:39 am

When even David Stern comes out and credits you for bringing flopping to the NBA, I think you really have to tip the hat to Vlade Divac:



Now THIS is a goal...
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Post by mattywizz on Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:40 pm

Geezaldinho wrote:Mundo S. Libre ( the google translator might help)

I don't know how to use google translator, so I am going to guess...Joe Barry Carrol!!!

Back to the topic. Just saw the highlight show from today and am now watching the Stagg Chilli-Swiss Miss match. That red card was brutal. Did anyone else see that the Swissy actually did hit a Chilly about 5 seconds before the flop that "earned" him the red. He was hit harder, it actually did cock his head back, but he kept on going. In my opinon, that play should not have even garnered a yellow (well, maybe for the Chillyan).

That Ronaldo goal made me think of Robertson, the cowboy from D2 and his fancy puck handling skills.
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Post by Geezaldinho on Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:28 am

Prepare for the end times.


France is out after losing to SA 2-1
Uruguay beat Mexico 1-0 as I expected.
Mexico and Uruguay advance, Mexico will almost certainly play Argentina next,


On the postgame, Alexi Lalas goes on and on about what a great team Mexico is and what fun to watch they are.
Then he says "I can't believe I said that about Mexico"

Me neither.
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Post by DaTruRochin on Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:31 am

Haha after the second SA goal I got a text from my brother saying "This is why you don't eff with the Irish..." And then for some reason I started singing "Karma Chameleon"....

But agreed, I've found myself pulling for Mexico too, I mean once you get past the bags of human effluence being tossed at opposing fans they aren't bad at all. Plus I like yelling out "Chicharitooooooooo" at random (and plan on doing it a lot over the next few years...) On a side note, I'm sad that I won't be hearing the name Tshabalala regularly anymore....
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Post by Geezaldinho on Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:29 pm

All is right with the world.

Though they rested 7 starters,

Argentina comes out with a 2-0 victory on goals from Demichelis and a Messi shot rebound from 36 year old Martín Palermo. The old geezer can still put them in.


Amazingly, Messi went through group play without a goal. Go figure. It didn't matter, he's still the engine that drives the team.


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Post by PurplePrideTrumpet on Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:42 pm

First Blanco, then Palermo. The wily veterans are showing how it's done.

South Korea goes through after drawing 2-2 with Nigeria. Both their goals were a result of Nigeria's Sh!ttu set piece defense.






(Yes, I was waiting to somehow work that in.)
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Post by Geezaldinho on Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:30 am

WOW!

USA goes from going home after 90 minutes to winning the Group!

Great outlet from Timmay and a great push forward by the USA speedsters on the counter.

It saved a whole diatribe about goals getting taken away by refs and the offside rule Very Happy

You guys got lucky.
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Post by PilotNut on Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:29 am

What a boost to soccer in the US... had we not advanced, soccer and it's officiating would have been blasted incessantly (not that the officiating in the US games so far didnt deserve it).

GO USA!

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Post by PurplePrideTrumpet on Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:16 pm

Just look at Sunday's Round of 16 matchups:

7 am: Die Mannschaft-The Three Lions

11:30 am: La Albicelestes-El Tri

Four nations with great football traditions, two long-running rivalries, one awesome day.
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Post by onetouchfutbol on Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:16 pm

PilotNut wrote:What a boost to soccer in the US... had we not advanced, soccer and it's officiating would have been blasted incessantly (not that the officiating in the US games so far didnt deserve it).

GO USA!

Winning definitely helps, however, I'm not sure how much of a boost this win gives to the sport. It helps to win the group and keep interest high, and I'm ecstatic about the win. The reality though is I think the win is more of a relief than anything. Winning a group for the first time since 1930 is huge and going undefeated is impressive even if there were 2 ties. Our defense still looked kind of shaky though; our defenders take some unnecessary risks at times and it's still pretty easy for forwards to get behind them early in games. I hope we're capable of playing at the Confederacy Cup form on the world's biggest stage; I hope the players can envision it.

For soccer to really thrive in this country, the sport needs both success and money in my humble opinion. MLS payrolls continue to be pocket change compared to the best clubs in the world. It would be great to be able to see a 20-24 year-old top 5 player in their prime in the MLS at some point. But, maybe that's a pipe dream... We're definitely spoiled with player-fans in the northwest, but, this part of the country is definitely different than most of the US...
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Post by up7587 on Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:23 pm

On other continents, nice comeback by Australia after getting pounded by Germany to get a win and a draw. Lose out on goal diff. A 4-0 loss will do that to you.
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