Plans for River Campus

I found it most helpful for theology. Parallel Bible all the way!

Oh for sure! I'm not saying I think libraries are obsolete. Not at all.

I'm just saying that 10-15 years ago, when schools were building libraries they were building these huge palatial buildings that screamed "college," which I'm sure are beautiful sctructures but today? Probably not necessary, given the prevelance of on-line journals and the move away from hard-back books and towards digital. I mean... 20 years from now, will all students have a Kindle or something like it and just download books? I don't know, but I'd say it's more likely that than kids going to the card catalog, writing down the Dewey Decimal number, and going to find a book in the stacks.

I am really excited by how cool, modern, and useful the new UP library can potentially be, with great study space, all kinds of great new technology, meeting rooms, etc etc.

Until they digitize the 1918 encyclopedia Britanica ( articles by Einstein, Freud, Woodrow Wilson, Lenin, etc.) I'm skeptical.

Stonehouse wrote:20 years from now, will all students have a Kindle or something like it and just download books?

I think that's what Apple was anticipating with the whole iPad thing.

Assistant Vice Principal?

Glad to see Stony Pére got a promotion. Wasn't he the guy who caught us smoking in the boy's room in high school?

Good to see the property will make it's first steps toward becoming an integral part of the campus and the community. I think it's a win-win for all concerned.

Stonehouse wrote:Oh for sure! I'm not saying I think libraries are obsolete. Not at all.

I'm just saying that 10-15 years ago, when schools were building libraries they were building these huge palatial buildings that screamed "college," which I'm sure are beautiful sctructures but today? Probably not necessary, given the prevelance of on-line journals and the move away from hard-back books and towards digital. I mean... 20 years from now, will all students have a Kindle or something like it and just download books? I don't know, but I'd say it's more likely that than kids going to the card catalog, writing down the Dewey Decimal number, and going to find a book in the stacks.

I am really excited by how cool, modern, and useful the new UP library can potentially be, with great study space, all kinds of great new technology, meeting rooms, etc etc.

Some really interesting points. Yeah, I think that Kindle, inter-library loans, on-line journals, and the proximity of Powell's Books changes everything for UP. Things change so quickly. I can't imagine in 20 years from now...when other newspapers besides the Seattle PI have gone defunct, I might be saying to my grandkids, "Back when I was a boy, we used to have this thing called the newspaper, and we kept books in a library." Oh brother...

I can't say I agree. The Internet and digital media is great. Nobody uses it more than I do. But part of the function of a library is to archive thoughts and works from the past, and much of that isn't digital.

My classic examples are the 1918 Brittanica, or Webster's Second edition, which archive the start of the modern world and show us how people thought About their world in the past. Parts of it are quaint, but the language is from a different world. When you see an article by Freud in the Brittanica and see what he actually thought is a lot different than modern interpretations, or when you see that Einstein ( in the same edition) was capable of making abstract concepts on space and time easy to understand, it gives you a whole different view of their world.

The Icelandic sagas would be just comic books now if digital media kept morfing it and erasing the older versions.

And, as our PortlandPilots website shows, parts of the past get erased completely. Name the UP soccer lineup from 1992.
You can find it online still, but not from our site. Soon, it will be lost digitally forever. Your thoughts are at the mercy of a webmaster.

Digital media are still too transitory.

Purplegeezer wrote:I can't say I agree. The Internet and digital media is great. Nobody uses it more than I do. But part of the function of a library is to archive thoughts and works from the past, and much of that isn't digital.

My classic examples are the 1918 Brittanica, or Webster's Second edition, which archive the start of the modern world and show us how people thought About their world in the past. Parts of it are quaint, but the language is from a different world. When you see an article by Freud in the Brittanica and see what he actually thought is a lot different than modern interpretations, or when you see that Einstein ( in the same edition) was capable of making abstract concepts on space and time easy to understand, it gives you a whole different view of their world.

The Icelandic sagas would be just comic books now if digital media kept morfing it and erasing the older versions.

And, as our PortlandPilots website shows, parts of the past get erased completely. Name the UP soccer lineup from 1992.
You can find it online still, but not from our site. Soon, it will be lost digitally forever. Your thoughts are at the mercy of a webmaster.

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Digital media are still too transitory.

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Last year for my senior project, my group designed a new library for campus. The first semester of our project was a lot of research with faculty, administrators and students on what they wanted. Most of the information was taken from a 2006 Library Needs Assessment. The current library is way out of date and is not up to a lot of building codes, so if a remodel of the original building were to be done, they would need to address all of the current issues which would be extremely expensive. There were two different opinions that we heard time and time again. the first option would be to demolish the existing building and build new on the current site, the other option would be to move the library, one site that was proposed is the tennis center site. Either way the University is looking to have a more modern library with ample 24 hour space. They want tech services to be in the building and brought up adding a coffee shop/lounge area. It was also important to the library to maintain a bit of traditional library assets. The way my group decided to keep plenty of books on site was to have half of the basement dedicated to compact stacks which allow a student to browse the catalog on a computer and then choose a book that is located in stacks that are compactly arranged next to each other. The stacks move on mechanical tracks and an aisle is formed where needed to retrieve a book. There is already a little bit of funding for the library but it is estimated that the university needs about $10 million more to start the planning and construction of a new library.

Sketches for the new library have been unveiled on the new RISE Campaign site:

http://media.up.edu/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=slideshow.Slideshow&g2_itemId=6990

Stonehouse wrote:Actually, I've heard that they will be putting an actually *good* indoor track in the new Howard Hall. Not an official one where you could hold real indoor meets, but definitely something you could train on - I think half-size, so 8 laps would be 1 mile.

Is there enough room for an 8 lap mile? that's a standard ideal indoor track, bigger than the 11 laps per mile in Madison square garden, where meets like the Milrose games are played. The Wanamaker mile is the premier indoor mile race, and that's run on that track.

The old Garden had an 12 lap per mile track, i think. In 1955, Wes Santee ran 4:00.5 on that track running against Roger Bannister. He died recently.