College Cup Locations

Here's a question for all of you Pilot Nation fans: Can anyone explain why the College Cup only alternates between Cary, N.C. and Texas Station, TX? I know that it didn't used to be that way (Merlo Field hosted in 1995), but for some reason it's now only held in inaccessible places with lousy stadiums. What's the rationale behind this?

They're looking for stadiums (stadia?) that hold 10,000 people.

Aggie Stadium holds 3500 people. Merlo holds more!

Wake Med in Cary, NC holds 7k and can expand to 10k, but still, the attendance would be better at UP. Why not a location on the West Coast?

Both UCLA and Santa Clara have stadiums large enough to seat 10k and they have the added bonus of being in place that people actually want to visit!

fwill wrote:Aggie Stadium holds 3500 people. Merlo holds more!

No, Aggie soccer stadium holds more depending on how they arrange temporary seating.

They have the regular season single game attendance recored of 8,204 when TAMU beat UNC in 2006, in in a year the heels won the National Championship



http://www.aggieathletics.com/facilities/soccercomplex.html

If we ever want to host again, the seating at Merlo will have to expand, but not by a lot. it could be done.

I think the NCAA would consider us if seating was in the 7-8K range.

[Written before the preceding couple of posts.]

The Geez hopefully will weigh in on this, but a couple of years ago I think the NCAA went through a bidding process for the College Cup that covered a period of years. The process ended up with Cary and College Station alternating for the period of years involved. I think Cary has the Cup next year and that particular period of years is over. If my recollection is right, the NCAA is in the process of a new sequence of championship bidding.

There is a new NCAA policy that says championships are not supposed to be in remote locations. Plus, as those trying to get room reservations in College Station know, it doesn't have enough hotel accommodations to serve the College Cup. It will be very interesting to see if the NCAA handles this one properly and discontinues the Cup in College Station. No offense to College Station, my wife and I had a great time there in 2005, but it is not set up to handle the College Cup, especially as the Division I College Women's Soccer fan base grows.

I wouldn't be surprised to see either Austin or Dallas in the running for future Cups. Texas, in Austin, has a good facility (although the fans are separated from the field by a running track) and SMU, in Dallas, has an excellent facility. Austin in itself is a great place to visit and could be a really good location, so I'd be very happy to see the Cup having Austin as one of its locations.

I don't like Cary as a location. Not because I don't like the area, but because with North Carolina as a very frequent participant, I don't think the competition is fair when it's in Cary. On the other hand, the area is a fun place to visit.

I'd love to see a Cup some day at Multnomah Stadium. Assuming, however, that they will have artificial turf, it probably isn't likely.

fwill wrote:Both UCLA and Santa Clara have stadiums large enough to seat 10k and they have the added bonus of being in place that people actually want to visit!

after the last couple of experiences with how visiting fans are treated at UCLA, I sure wouldn't want to see a game there. better viewing on TV.

Geezaldinho wrote:

fwill wrote:Both UCLA and Santa Clara have stadiums large enough to seat 10k and they have the added bonus of being in place that people actually want to visit!

after the last couple of experiences with how visiting fans are treated at UCLA, I sure wouldn't want to see a game there. better viewing on TV.

I agree completely with the Geez on this. UCLA has a grandstand on one side of the field on which most of the fans sit, including all of the opposing teams' fans. The grandstand is far removed from the field. On the other side, there are bleachers right next to the field. UCLA purposefully excludes visiting team fans from the bleachers. It's a disgrace for which UCLA should be ashamed.

Plus, it's a truly ugly facility, and the other fan facilities (concessions and restrooms) are bad. No way should a College Cup be there.

UPSoccerFanatic wrote: I wouldn't be surprised to see either Austin or Dallas in the running for future Cups. Texas, in Austin, has a good facility (although the fans are separated from the field by a running track) and SMU, in Dallas, has an excellent facility. Austin in itself is a great place to visit and could be a really good location, so I'd be very happy to see the Cup having Austin as one of its locations.

The Pilots like Austin as well. They went there for the 2002 Cup. The Cup was in Dallas a year or two before that.

UPSoccerFanatic wrote:I'd love to see a Cup some day at Multnomah Stadium. Assuming, however, that they will have artificial turf, it probably isn't likely.

This still could happen. Just tonight Merritt was on John Strong's radio show talking about how the pitch will still be artificial (there are several reasons for this), but they will bring in grass for international matches. Why not for the College Cup? There would be about a month of prep time available between the end of the PSU and high school gridiron seasons and the weekend of the Cup.

They might, but bringing natural grass is VERY pricey, I remember hearing the figure was around 300-400K per match up at Qwest this last summer. Unless the attendance is absolutely huge, it might be tough for the NCAA to justify such an expense...

UPSoccerFanatic wrote:[Written before the preceding couple of posts.]

The Geez hopefully will weigh in on this, but a couple of years ago I think the NCAA went through a bidding process for the College Cup that covered a period of years. The process ended up with Cary and College Station alternating for the period of years involved. I think Cary has the Cup next year and that particular period of years is over. If my recollection is right, the NCAA is in the process of a new sequence of championship bidding.

There is a new NCAA policy that says championships are not supposed to be in remote locations. Plus, as those trying to get room reservations in College Station know, it doesn't have enough hotel accommodations to serve the College Cup. It will be very interesting to see if the NCAA handles this one properly and discontinues the Cup in College Station. No offense to College Station, my wife and I had a great time there in 2005, but it is not set up to handle the College Cup, especially as the Division I College Women's Soccer fan base grows.

I wouldn't be surprised to see either Austin or Dallas in the running for future Cups. Texas, in Austin, has a good facility (although the fans are separated from the field by a running track) and SMU, in Dallas, has an excellent facility. Austin in itself is a great place to visit and could be a really good location, so I'd be very happy to see the Cup having Austin as one of its locations.

I don't like Cary as a location. Not because I don't like the area, but because with North Carolina as a very frequent participant, I don't think the competition is fair when it's in Cary. On the other hand, the area is a fun place to visit.

I'd love to see a Cup some day at Multnomah Stadium. Assuming, however, that they will have artificial turf, it probably isn't likely.

Most of what you say is correct about the bidding process. If I had a little more energy tonight, I'd look up the relevant articles.

One of the key things is the "remote locations" clause. I think that has special meaning for the NCAA. There is an approved list of locations that the NCAA says are OK to to hold their conferences, committee meeting, and other affairs. They won't pay for meetings in 'remote locations" locations, and since they use the same travel agent for their meetings as for competition athletes and staff, I think that's what they are looking at.

For the meetings, things like cost of transportation, hotels, and dining factor in.

The last time I checked (last summer), Portland is on the approved list. a couple of major cities aren't. I can't remember which they are, but I was surprised when I figured it out. It was probably because things got too expensive at those locations and they wanted to discourage junkets.

Artificial turf is theoretically allowed for the College Cup, especially, I'll bet, if its one of the latest generation turfs that's approved for FIFA competition.
But the wording is that grass fields are "prefered", so I'd also bet that if the choice was between a grass field and a turf field, the grass field would win every time. That might change over time, especially if the claims that turf field are safer are ever borne out.

I also doubt the NCAA would schedule a college cup in a place like Notre Dame or Minneapolis after last year's experiences there.

Besides, I doubt the university would want a College Cup at Multnomah over a College Cup on the campus.. I think they see the CC as a way to showcase the University. They'd rather figure out how to get the seating up to some minimum the NCAA would accept.

I think UPSF is right that there will be a new round of bidding, and I heard a rumor that SCU would put in a bid, but there was beer involved, so I'm not sure how reliable that rumor was. The new Buck Shaw would be a great place, but if the NCAA wants long term commitments again this time, perhaps even Santa Clara is too small for a multi-year bid. The NCAA has a lot of requirements, and in the current bids, I think a couple of universities pooled their resources, so we might have to do something like pooling with Oregon. maybe alternating locations with them. That would mean an upgrade of their facilities, too.

Geezaldinho wrote: The NCAA has a lot of requirements, and in the current bids, I think a couple of universities pooled their resources, so we might have to do something like pooling with Oregon. maybe alternating locations with them. That would mean an upgrade of their facilities, too.

Unfortunately, I think that Oregon's facilities are as good as they're going to get. They share some of their field with the football team which uses that and the adjoining field for practice--both in the spring and at least in the first half of fall before the weather gets bad. Any kind of upgrade would have to be temporary.

Might it not have to do with weather? The College Cup is in December. Holding it someplace in the south would increase the odds of decent weather.

Righ-to, runner girl.

How many Super Bowls are played up North outside?