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Typical NCAA Hypocrisy

Post by Stonehouse on Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:32 am

The good old NCAA has done it again... thrown the book at a mid-major while allowing BCS schools to skate on by. Wide-spread cheating scandal at Florida State? Wild cheating at Indiana? No big deal.

But the SE Missouri State coaches giving a ride to a player to see his newborn baby? And watching some pick-up games? That equates to vacating three years of wins, the coach getting fired, restrictions on recruiting, loss of a scholarship, and other penalties.

http://www.semissourian.com/story/1561966.html

The women's program also got dinged... for an admittedly more serious violation. A booster paid for a final semester of tuition for a player whose eligibility was exhausted (thus no longer on scholarship), still needed a few credits to graduate, and couldn't get enough financial aid. But really... is that situation really all that bad? I mean, I know it's a violation, but helping a kid to graduate after all her eligibility is done with? There are worse things in the world.

And I love how they penalize the coaches for watching summer pick-up games. I know it's a violation, but the rules are very gray for this... Gonzaga, Santa Clara, and tons of other schools with newer gyms have coaches offices that have windows that open to the court. So they can watch all they want from their desk. According to the NCAA, that is not a violation. But if the coach doesn't have a window that opens to the court, he can't go sit in the gym. Ah... hypocrisy at it's finest.

When will this end? Will a BCS school ever get such treatment by the NCAA?


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Re: Typical NCAA Hypocrisy

Post by DaTruRochin on Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:06 am

Well they did punish UW with bowl bans and scholarship losses and put Minnesota on probation... Haha but why do I feel like that would never happen to Ohio State, Florida or some other "big money" schools...

The NCAA kind of takes a Bud Selig approach to punishment, ignore the causes when the times are overwhelmingly perceived as good and hand down far too little punishment far after that perception has actually changed....

And don't get me started on USC and the rumors that Reggie Bush made MORE in college than he does now...

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Re: Typical NCAA Hypocrisy

Post by up7587 on Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:04 pm

Yeah, and I'm sure nothing untoward occurred during OJ Mayo's tenure at USC. Rolling Eyes

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Re: Typical NCAA Hypocrisy

Post by golaso on Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:54 pm

florida state? the world is not out to get the little guys

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Re: Typical NCAA Hypocrisy

Post by Geezaldinho on Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:27 pm

Well, Stoney, it shouldn't surprise.

The NCAA has always been a hypocracy. Cool

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Re: Typical NCAA Hypocrisy

Post by DaTruRochin on Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:28 pm

Scarey isn't it?

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Re: Typical NCAA Hypocrisy

Post by Geezaldinho on Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:33 pm

Are you trying to start another arguement? Stoney might take offence. It might incentivise him to strike back.

You know he is sensitive about how things are spelt.


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Re: Typical NCAA Hypocrisy

Post by DaTruRochin on Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:14 pm

Haha, he's an anglophobe, what can I say Razz

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Re: Typical NCAA Hypocrisy

Post by Stonehouse on Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:28 pm

Ha ha... I should have learned years ago that it's just not worth trying to one-up the Geez. The man is just too good! Smile

But really... it is hypocrisy and not hypocracy, right? Or am I just going crazy?

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Re: Typical NCAA Hypocrisy

Post by Geezaldinho on Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:37 pm

Stonehouse wrote:Ha ha... I should have learned learnt years ago that it's just not worth trying to one-up the Geez. The man is just too good! Smile

But really... it is hypocrisy and not hypocracy, right? Or am I just going crazy?

fixed your post.


Take a deep breath, Stoney. I was just messing with you. Razz

There is, however, a definition in the Urban Dictionary for Hypocracy. It's a democracy run by Hypocrites.

Just to be clear - I'm not saying you're NOT going crazy.....


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Re: Typical NCAA Hypocrisy

Post by PilotNut on Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:53 pm

Another thread hijacked by our own neuroses... nice.

Carry on. Razz

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Re: Typical NCAA Hypocrisy

Post by Geezaldinho on Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:58 pm

Sorry, Years ago I stuck my head in a Liberal Arts College and got it mangled....

horrible accident.

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Re: Typical NCAA Hypocrisy

Post by up7587 on Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:44 am

Some of those profs will do that to you! study

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OK, properly chastened, let's get back on task

Post by Geezaldinho on Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:48 am

Sometimes I think Dwight Jaynes is full of it, but he has weighed in on this issue with a pretty unique perspective that will interest Pilot fans.

HERE
and-one-more-ncaa-story

That said- I hope Rev doesn't have anything in his wallet...

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Re: Typical NCAA Hypocrisy

Post by PilotNut on Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:35 am

Purplegeezer wrote:Sometimes I think Dwight Jaynes is full of it, but he has weighed in on this issue with a pretty unique perspective that will interest Pilot fans.

HERE
and-one-more-ncaa-story

That said- I hope Rev doesn't have anything in his wallet...

And I hope there is a statute of limitations... Rolling Eyes

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Re: Typical NCAA Hypocrisy

Post by Geezaldinho on Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:45 am

PilotNut wrote:

And I hope there is a statute of limitations... Rolling Eyes

Dwight never mentioned that Avina actually gave the kid the ticket.

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Re: Typical NCAA Hypocrisy

Post by Stonehouse on Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:32 pm

Agreed... nice input from Dwight on this topic.

It's kind of a tough topic... on one hand, you need to enforce the rules. But on the other hand, you hope that the enforcement of those rules is equitable. It just seems like every time a school gets really hammered by the NCAA, it's a mid-major. I mean... there was a wide-spread cheating scandal at Florida State, and the Seminoles are b*tching about the vacating of some wins, which is a totally hollow gesture anyway, just because Bobby Bowden is up there with Paterno for win total. I mean... how about you take away some scholarships instead of vacating wins, which is just symbolic anyway - hit 'em where it hurts. But no... and we don't even need to mention the USC Reggie Bush/OJ Mayo stuff. It's been, what, a three or four year investigation now?

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Re: Typical NCAA Hypocrisy

Post by onetouchfutbol on Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:14 pm

I hate to be the voice of dissent, but, I really don't see the mid-majors getting hammered more than the bigger schools. Actually, I think that having to give up wins or bowl eligibility can be a big deal. It's taken UW years to recover. I mean seriously 0-12 last season...arguably the worst team in the nation. And this started so long ago, that a lot of recruits cannot even remember the early '90s when the team was actually good anymore. They have to watch video...

But, hey there are so many U of O fans in Oregon, that this example is probably discarded to some people... It is what it is. Just because it's taken a long time to look into the Reggie Bush situation, doesn't mean that nothing will come of it...or that it hasn't been horrendously embarrassing for many people involved.

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