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Post by PurplePrideTrumpet on Tue May 19, 2009 11:47 am

Just means I'll be thinking of how many goals the Pilots scored while watching the Timbers in 107 that night. Wink

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Post by SoreKnees on Tue May 19, 2009 3:09 pm

After seeing the Ducks play the Pilots even for most of the April game, I wouldn't discount the possibility of an upset in Eugene. UO looked very poised at Merlo and could be pretty fired up on their home field. Throw in the uncertainty of the first game of the year and anything can happen.

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Post by purple haze on Tue May 19, 2009 7:57 pm

The Ducks won't be pushovers, SoreKnees, and I foresee both a good game and a high-quality Pilots win. An opening loss does not mesh with my beatific vision for the Pilots this coming season.

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Post by Auto Pilot on Wed May 20, 2009 2:48 pm

I predict the Ducks will lose 4-0. This IS the beginning of the the Real Season.

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Post by purple haze on Sun May 24, 2009 8:20 am

I have yet to see a Pilots road game in person, and I hope the Ducks game will be the first.

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Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:42 pm

I'm resurrecting this thread because I believe it had some discussion about the Pilots' strength of schedule this year. I've been curious about how the Pilots' 2009 opponents have been doing, so I did some counts of last year's and this year's games to see how things compare between last year and this.

I used, as a cut-off date, the date as of which the Pilots had played their first five games last year and this (September 7 last year and September 6 this year).

As of September 7 last year, the Pilots' 18 opponents' combined records were 47-28-6 (excluding their games against the Pilots, in accord with the RPI formula). Treating a tie as half a win and half a loss (as the NCAA does for RPI purposes), this comes out to a 63% average winning percentage for the 2008 opponents (this again follows the RPI approach of calculating the winning percentage against other opponents for each team and then taking the average of those winning percentages). As of September 6 this year, the 19 opponents' combined records are 47-27-3 (again, excluding their games against the Pilots), with a 62% average winning percentage.

The most interesting part to me is breaking out the West Coast Conference teams. Last year as of September 7, their combined records were 17-15-3 with an average winning percentage of 53%. This year, their combined records are 20-11-1 with an average winning percentage of 65%.

You may remember that last year, at the end of the non-conference season, the Pilots were well on top of the heap in the RPI ratings. Notwithstanding that the Pilots went undefeated for the balance of the season, however, the WCC teams had an off year and their records, when incorporated into the Pilots' RPI, caused a drop in the Pilots' RPI rating so they ended up #4 in the final regular season RPI rankings. Maybe that won't happen this year.

I'm in DC, so I won't be at the game tonight, but I'll be watching on my computer and cheering all the way from here.

GO PILOTS!

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Post by Guest on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:26 pm

UPSF, welcome to the world of pixilated video soccer....

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Post by DaTruRochin on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:33 pm

You get to see the sweet graphics 5-10 minutes after they happen... It's pretty cutting edge...

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Post by aleppiek on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:49 pm

I do have to say, the new stats system beats the crud out of the gametracker.

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Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:20 pm

The heck with the stats system, I'm going to spring for the video.

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Post by aleppiek on Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:28 pm

That is a wise decision Wink Sorry you wont be there, we'll cheer extra loud.

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Post by fan from afar on Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:09 pm

UPSF - Look like we have reversed positions, you being in the East and me being in Portland getting ready to go to a Pilots game, on a beautiful night, I might add. I should probably look for an empty seat in the expensive section.

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Post by Harry Redknapp on Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:13 pm

UPSF

We'll cheer on your behalf. Hope all is well in DC.

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Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:03 pm

Yes, Harry, all is well in DC.

Fan from afar, not the really expensive seats. I leave those to the Geez.

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Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:30 pm

Here's a continuation of how our opponents have done so far this year, compared to last year, covering all games played through the date of our seventh game (September 13). The results exclude any results against the Pilots, in accord with the RPI formula. A tie counts as half a win and half a loss, also in accord with the RPI formula:

2008: Opponents overall 71-43
2009: Opponents overall 68-41

2008: WCC 27-22
2009: WCC 28.5-16.5

2008: Opponents' overall average winning percentage (RPI Element 2) 0.62
2009: Opponents' overall average winning percentage 0.63

2008: WCC average winning percentage 0.55
2009: WCC average winning percentage 0.63

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Re: 2009 Schedule?

Post by SoreKnees on Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:45 pm

Great info, UPSF. Let's hope that our opponents continue to win. (And, of course, that we do, too!)

Do you have anything compiled on the record of our future non-conference opponents? TAMU and WSU should look OK by the end of the year, but SMU, OSU, and Montana might pull us down a bit.

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Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:58 pm

SoreKnees wrote:Great info, UPSF. Let's hope that our opponents continue to win. (And, of course, that we do, too!)

Do you have anything compiled on the record of our future non-conference opponents? TAMU and WSU should look OK by the end of the year, but SMU, OSU, and Montana might pull us down a bit.

The numbers I provided include the current records of our future non-conference opponents. TAMU is 3-3-0, SMU is 1-4-0, Oregon State is 5-1-0 (!), Washington State is 4-2-0, and Montana is 1-6-0. I have no idea how SMU and Montana will do once they get to conference play. TAMU appears to be struggling a little, but could have a pretty good Big Twelve record. We'll have to see OSU play, but they could have a tough time in the Pac 10, which is looking pretty tough from top to bottom to me, except possibly for Arizona. WSU also will have a lot of hard battles on its hands.

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Post by SoreKnees on Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:23 pm

Ahh, so you're figuring the whole schedule's record in even though we haven't played them yet. So a team with lots of hard games coming up (like the Pac 10, for example) will look good now because they are already getting credit for the quality of their opponents but have not yet seen the effects of the losses that they will likely suffer when they actually play these better teams.

Am I understanding this right, now?

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Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:50 pm

SoreKnees, yes you're right. But, I'm doing this only for the Pilots and only to compare where we are this year to where we were last year, with reference to the question whether we have a tougher schedule this year than last. The pre-season thinking was that we had a significantly more difficult schedule last year. What I'm doing is comparing all of our this year's opponents' records, as of this point in the season, with all of last year's opponents' records, as of the comparable point last year. For a comparable point, I'm using the date when the Pilots had played the same number of games last year as they've played this year.

With that in mind, here's a last year to this year comparison as of the Pilots having played nine games:

2008, through 9/26 (date of Pilots' 9th game):

All opponents' combined records: 89-53-20
WCC opponents' combined records: 30-30-10

All opponents' average winning percentage against teams other than Pilots: 62.5%
WCC opponents' average winning percentage against teams other than Pilots: 50%

2009, through 9/20 (date of Pilots' 9th game):

All opponents' combined records: 89-45-10
WCC opponents' combined records: 35-18-6

All opponents' average winning percentage against teams other than Pilots: 65.3%
WCC opponents' average winning percentage against teams other than Pilots: 64.4%

For those who remember last year, the Pilots were ranked #1 by the RPI until they started conference play. Then, once the Pilots started incorporating WCC teams' winning percentages into their RPI, their RPI ranking started dropping. This was because the WCC teams as a group were contributing a 50% winning percentage to the Pilots' strength of schedule, which was not good.

Depending on what happens over the next two weeks, it appears that may not happen again this year. Our overall strength of schedule is on a par with last year, but our WCC component is much better than last year. So, if the Pilots are in a good RPI position going into conference play and can win all their conference games (which will be more difficult this year than last), they should at least maintain their RPI ranking position and may even improve it.

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Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:27 am

Continuing with the comparison of this year's schedule to last year's:

The average end-of-season RPI rank for the 18 teams the Pilots played last year was 83.7. That number was due, in significant part, to the relative weakness of the WCC. The average RPI rank of the Pilots' non-conference opponents was 62.5, but the average RPI rank of the WCC (not counting the Pilots) was 117.1 The WCC still was the 6th ranked conference in terms of average RPI, but as you may recall, once conference play began the Pilots' RPI rank slipped from #1 to #4 notwithstanding that they won all their conference games. This was because the teams passing them were from the ACC and Pac Ten, which were ##1 and 2 respectively in the conference average RPI rankings. Their average RPIs were roughly 0.07 and 0.06 higher than the WCC's average RPI. The other conferences ranked ahead of the WCC were the Big Ten, Big Twelve, and SEC. The higher a conference's average RPI, the better it is for conference teams' strength of schedule RPI elements.

The average RPI rank for the 19 teams on the Pilots' schedule this year, for games through 9/20, is 63.4. The average RPI rank of the Pilots' non-conference opponents is 60.0 (compared to last year's 62.5) and the average RPI rank of the WCC teams (other than the Pilots) is 69.1 (compared to last year's 117.1). The WCC currently is the 4th ranked conference in terms of average RPI. The WCC still is behind the Pac Ten and ACC, which are ##1 and 2 respectively, and also behind the SEC although only barely so, but it is ahead of the Big Ten and Big Twelve. Further, the differences between the Pac Ten's and ACC's average RPIs as compared to the WCC are smaller than last year, being roughly 0.05 and 0.03 this year.

Thus with the WCC being stronger this year, the conference games will be much better for the Pilots' strength of schedule RPI elements than last year. Of course, the price of that benefit is that the WCC games will be harder to win.

Also, if the Pilots' opponents continue to perform as they have so far this year, the Pilots will end up having played a significantly stronger schedule than they did last year. Surprised?

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Post by SoreKnees on Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:23 pm

I am surprised. It seems like when I assessed this year's schedule as being relatively light-weight I was responding too much to the absence of top-5 opponents and not correctly assessing (or predicting) how many would be top-50. I'm glad that our RPI ranking is holding up this year. I just hope that the NCAA doesn't follow the logic that "Portland didn't beat anyone in the top 10 (or so), so how can we give them a #1 seed." Depending on how things fall out the rest of the way, that might be a convenient excuse to slide UCLA, Stanford, UNC, and someone else with a couple of big wins (say, another ACC team that beats UNC) in ahead of us.

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Post by Geezaldinho on Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:39 pm

considering UCLA's game against UNC, it probably won't be them.

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Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:44 pm

Geezaldinho wrote:considering UCLA's game against UNC, it probably won't be them.

UCLA and Portland also will have a common opponent in San Diego. If the Pilots beat San Diego, that would give the Pilots a leg up on UCLA under the NCAA criterion of "results against common opponents."

This is a good place to point out/remind, however, that in seeding, the Women's Soccer Committee is not bound by the "at large selection" criteria.

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Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:22 am

Continuing with the comparison of this year's schedule to last year's, evaluating this year's schedule through the Sunday, September 27 games:

(1) As of the end of the season last year, the average RPI rank of the Pilots' opponents was as follows:

All opponents: 83.7
Non-conference opponents: 62.5
WCC opponents: 117.1

(2) As of 9/27, the average RPI rank of the Pilots' opponents:

All opponents: 62.2
Non-conference opponents: 63.6
WCC opponents: 59.9 (Note: This year, the worst RPI rank for a WCC team is San Francisco at #87. Compare this to last year's end-of-year average for the WCC of #117!)

(3) As of the comparable time in the season last year, for the Pilots' opponents:

Composite record (non-conference and WCC): 97-57-20
WCC composite record: 32-32-11
All opponents' average winning percentage: 63%
WCC opponents' average winning percentage: 50%

(4) As of 9/27 this year, for the Pilots' opponents:

Composite record (non-conference and WCC): 105-55-13
WCC composite record: 42-22-7
All opponents' average winning percentage: 65%
WCC opponents' average winning percentage: 64%

For this type of comparison, the critical numbers will be those after completion of this week's games. At that point, all conferences will be in conference play, including the Pac Ten and WCC. Those numbers will give us a pretty good fix on where the WCC will end up in the "strength of schedule" rankings and therefore how conference play will affect the WCC schools' (including the Pilots') strength of schedule. It looks to me like the WCC will end up as either the #4 (present position) or #3 conference, in terms of average strength.

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Post by Geezaldinho on Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:34 am

It strikes me that we need to be paying almost as much attention to the PAC10 conference games as to the WCC games once conference starts - maybe more so.

We will have played 1/2 of that conference, so not only do we have a stake in the teams we played, but in all of the non-conference RPI of the PAC10 schools we played (element 2) and the whole PAC10 (element 3)

crazy.

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