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Post by SoreKnees on Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:53 am

An interesting tale from across the pond. Maybe CP could get a job over there. "Ravenous animal" pretty well describes his behavior on Friday.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=592231&sec=england&cc=5901

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Re: Coaches and referees

Post by PurplePrideTrumpet on Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:24 pm

Oh, the FA's Respect Campaign....yeah, that was going to work...

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Re: Coaches and referees

Post by purple haze on Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:36 pm

Ladies and gentlemen, Aretha Fanklin:
"R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Doesn't spell a thing to CP!
Sock it to him sock it to him sock it to him ..."

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Post by Geezaldinho on Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:40 pm

In an interesting development, the scuttlebutt at the game was that Petruccelli's red card was rescinded, and he was on the bench.

It must have happened before they signed the card and turned it in, because the rules clearly say that the card CAN't be rescinded after.

He was the model gentleman during the game....

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Post by SoreKnees on Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:45 pm

The red card cannot be rescinded, but the suspension can. That's because most sendoffs occur before the final whistle and you can't put that person back on the field. ex-post However, all suspensions get reviewed, especially if there is an appeal. I actually wasn't too surprised to see him out there today given that he had a valid point in his complaint.

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Post by fan from afar on Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:20 pm

Geezaldinho wrote:In an interesting development, the scuttlebutt at the game was that Petruccelli's red card was rescinded, and he was on the bench.

It must have happened before they signed the card and turned it in, because the rules clearly say that the card CAN't be rescinded after.

He was the model gentleman during the game....

"The model gentleman" - I guess someone must have kept Geezeldinho away from the pokie supply this game.

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Post by Geezaldinho on Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:15 pm

fan from afar wrote:

"The model gentleman" - I guess someone must have kept Geezeldinho away from the pokie supply this game.

That was it--- He pretended not to notice...

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Post by SciFi on Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:52 pm

From the article in the first post:

"Regrettably, football - the sport acknowledged as the beautiful game - is tarnished when this type of behaviour occurs.

Soccer (as well most, if not all, sports in general) is also tarnished by incompetent reffing. The refs (and the leagues) are just as responsible for the problems that plague virtually all levels of soccer as the players, coaches, and fans. The worst part is that bad behavior by players, coaches, and fans would be greatly reduced by competent reffing. Yes, refs will make mistakes (they are only human, after all); but, the amount and level of incompetence these days is staggering.

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Post by DaTruRochin on Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:04 am

The worst is when an official makes themselves as important as the game itself... Taking ego, agendas and whatnot into a game can alter a ref's ability to call a fair, consistent, controlled match. It happens at the highest level right on down to the lowest levels of soccer (Seen it a number of times). I think the biggest problem is that people forget, IT'S A GAME, the minute the players and fans stop having fun it kind of defeats the entire point of playing

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Post by SciFi on Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:08 am

Couldn't agree with you more, DTR. . . Evil or Very Mad

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Re: Coaches and referees

Post by Auto Pilot on Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:13 am

I used to ref but I quit because of the abuse. I think all the anger directed toward the ref drives away level headed people and encourages those who like to impose their egos etc. Now don't get me wrong, part of the fun of being a spectator is second guessing coaches, refs, players etc.; but there are too many out there that like to get up in the grill.

I don't like bad calls either but there is another perspective.

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Post by Auto Pilot on Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:15 am

I used to ref but I quit because of the abuse. I think all the anger directed toward the ref drives away level headed people and encourages those who like to impose their egos etc. Now don't get me wrong, part of the fun of being a spectator is second guessing coaches, refs, players etc.; but there are too many out there that like to get up in the grill.

I don't like bad calls either but there is another perspective.

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Post by SciFi on Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:15 am

I don't condone the abuse toward refs in any way. I just wanted to point out that refs do have some fault here, too.

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Post by Auto Pilot on Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:19 am

Absolutely.

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Post by Stonehouse on Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:34 am

I agree that refs have fault.

But players are also at fault too... it is intensely annoying to watch all the flopping and histrionics that take place when watching international soccer. Heck, even MLS sometimes too. I mean... we are so immune to it know that we just joke around when a player goes down in agony, the ref dutifully pulls out the yellow card, and then the guy who seemingly has a broken ankle just gets up and jogs away.

Honestly, I think this aspect of soccer is one of the reasons that it has never really caught on in the US.

So... put in that perspective... if you are one guy on a field with 22 players and a lot of those players are intentionally exagerrating fouls... is it any wonder you're either 1) going make some calls that aren't fouls or 2) going to not call some fouls that really should be?

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Post by SciFi on Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:23 pm

Sure, that was the going to be the second part of my first post on this subject. Thing is flopping is supposed to be an automatic yellow. Unfortunately, to big of a percentage of refs don't enforce this rule. These days it seems to me that a good percentage of flops are blatantly phony and yet refs still seem to call fouls instead of having the guts to enforce the rule and show a yellow to the flopper. I've seen it over and over. Happens in the NBA a lot, too. Sigh. . . Beating a Dead Horse

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Post by SoreKnees on Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:27 pm

There's an old saying in the referee community: "What you permit, you condone." Surely applies here, although it's pretty tough to caution a flop unless it's absolutely, 100% certain that it's a flop. It's often hard to be that sure without replay.

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Post by Poopdeck Pappy on Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:41 pm

I think that the more seasoned referees of international men's games are much more likely to make the flop call. I seem to recall seeing an occasional call in European Cup and the World Cup games. I can't say that I've ever seen a flop called at a college or high school game.

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Post by Geezaldinho on Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:49 pm

David Xausa got an "embellishment" call once.

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Post by Auto Pilot on Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:53 pm

This kind of practice doesn't help

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Post by FANatic on Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:11 pm

Nice video, Auto. Absolute garbage. That's what that coach is teaching. How about teaching legit soccer? The coach is a LOSER, big time.

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