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Post by GUPhantom on Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:50 am

This game to me...will be a question on style of play?

I watched the all of WSU vs Texas match. And I must say...I wasn't impressed! I guess I've been spoiled by having personally seen...mostly Pilot games! But...whenever there's a doubleheader...I usually like to watch the other teams play too! Usually the draw for me...is to get a chance to see an opponent's marquee player work against another team...other than the Pilots!

The WSU and Texas game was...well... "clunky"!!!! Yes. I know that's a very technical term! But, how do you describe....no possession, no ball control, and no obvious plan for any strategic ball movement? It was all lacking! Garrett and Lauren were right by me...but...only half-hearted watching the game. What's to scout?

Then it struck me...clearly...when the Pilot coaches say that "we only have to worry about ourselves and execute"...they are saying a whole lot! I definitely believe that the Pilots have the formula for success down. Players will come and go. But, if the Pilots continue to coach and promote our style of play....we can beat anybody!

After the game...when the Longhorns were taking their salute.....someone in the stands yelled at them.... "YOU'LL NEVER BEAT...THE PILOTS!!!"

Many of the Texas players just smiled....maybe knowingly!!!

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Re: UP versus Texas

Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:04 pm

Also, do we know for sure that a coach who has been red carded in the previous game cannot coach in the next game? Geez, do you have the rule?

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Re: UP versus Texas

Post by ohhh_yeah on Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:05 pm

GUPhantom wrote:

After the game...when the Longhorns were taking their salute.....someone in the stands yelled at them.... "YOU'LL NEVER BEAT...THE PILOTS!!!"

Many of the Texas players just smiled....maybe knowingly!!!

GO PILOTS!!!



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Re: UP versus Texas

Post by ohhh_yeah on Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:07 pm

The three of us also asked them why they were not sticking around to see what was going to happen to them...


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Re: UP versus Texas

Post by SoreKnees on Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:48 pm

From today's Oregonian article:

"No. 15 Texas 1, No. 24 Washington State 0: The Longhorns (13-3-4) won the game but lost their coach, Chris Petrucelli, for Sunday's game against Portland. Petrucelli was shown a red-card ejection when he argued and made contact with an official at game's end."

If Boaz has done his homework, then Petrocelli will need a ticket tomorrow.

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Re: UP versus Texas

Post by Geezaldinho on Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:25 pm

UPSoccerFanatic wrote:Also, do we know for sure that a coach who has been red carded in the previous game cannot coach in the next game? Geez, do you have the rule?
He can't be on the field for the next game for sure, Other wording indicates that probably includes warmups.

It could be far worse for him, depending on how Desi wrote it up. and if it's his second offense of the year (I believe it is) it's a two game suspension.

If the offense was labeled an assault on a referee, the suspension is for three games, and if it is a second offense in the season ( I believe Petrucelli manhandled another ref this year) he's gone for the season. In addition, there would be suspensions for next year. He did jostle the #4, but those things are sometimes glossed over.

He's not even even allowed in the Press box as a member of the coaching staff, can have no contact with the team or coaching staff.
and is restricted to the spectator areas. I hope he has a ticket. The game may be sold out and the seating is all reserved for these games.

Here's from the handbook. I've put some sections in red, but without knowing what Desi Miller put on the report, I can't say exactly which apply.



By the way, I didn't see anywhere in the handbook that a ref has the authority to add time to or otherwise alter the time on the clock. His only listed authority is to stop the clock and caution people for delay.


12.15 Ejections
An ejection is a formal disciplinary action requiring specific procedures
to be followed that include the display of a red card. An ejection also
requires that a misconduct report be written by the referee and submitted to
the governing sports authority. (see page 8 ) Any player, coach, team official
or participant listed on the official roster who violates the rules of conduct
may be ejected. The referee shall eject from the game a player, who cannot
be replaced, a coach or any team representative if that individual:
12.15.1 Is guilty of serious foul play;
12.15.2 Is guilty of violent behavior;

..................


12.16 Ejections and Player Eligibility
12.16.1 Any player, coach or bench personnel ejected from a game cannot
participate in the next regularly scheduled game, including postseason
games, or, if the offense occurs in the final game of the season, in the first
scheduled game of the next season. If the ejected individual(s) is a player
of record in the game at the time of the ejection, the player, who cannot
be replaced, shall leave the game and his/her team plays short. Further,
a player(s), coach or other bench personnel removed from the game and/
or serving a game suspension(s) shall be restricted to the designated
spectator areas and prohibited from any communication or contact,
direct or indirect, with the team, coaches and/or bench personnel from
the start of the contest to its completion, including all overtime periods.
(see Rules 12.17 and 12.18.1) Any player(s), coach or bench personnel
receiving a second red card in the same season shall not compete in
the next two regularly scheduled games, including postseason games.
Moreover, a coach serving a game suspension(s) shall require him or her
o miss the next two regularly scheduled games, including postseason
games.
Scrimmages and exhibition games, scheduled or unscheduled, do
not qualify as games with reference to ejected players.
A.R. 12.16.1.a. May an ejected player sit out a rescheduled game? RULING:
Yes, if the game was rescheduled before the ejection and is the next game to
be played.
A.R. 12.16.1.b. Through no fault of its own, a team’s regularly scheduled game
is canceled by an opponent after the season begins. RULING: A substitute
opponent may be added to the schedule and shall qualify as an eligible game for
satisfying the games to be missed for ejected or suspended players.
A.R. 12.16.1.c. What constitutes a regularly scheduled game? RULING:
Regularly scheduled games are those intercollegiate contests considered
countable for team-championship selection purposes. Games against service
teams, professional teams, semiprofessional teams, amateur teams, two-
year colleges, club teams and four-year teams against whom competition is
considered exhibition or noncountable in nature, do not qualify as regularly
scheduled games.
A.R. 12.16.1.d. Is a coach who is ejected from a game subject to suspension
from the next game automatically as is the case with players? RULING: Yes.
A.R. 12.16.1.e. A coach or other institutional representative is ejected from
the final game of the season or postseason. RULING: The coach or other
institutional representative shall sit out the first game of the next season.
A.R. 12.16.1.f. A coach is ejected from the game and no other institutional
representative is present to take responsibility for the management of the game.
RULING: The referee shall suspend the game and submit a report to the
governing sports authority. (see A.R. 5.5.1.d)
12.16.2 A player(s), coach or bench personnel involved in a fight shall be
ejected from the game and is required to sit out the following two games,
including postseason games. A player(s), coach or bench personnel
involved in a second fight in the same season shall be ejected from the
game and shall not compete for the remainder of the season, including
postseason games. If the first fighting offense in a season occurs after
any nonfighting ejection, the fighting offense, along with the necessary
two-game suspension for a previous red card, shall carry an additional
game suspension (i.e., three games).


12.17 Assault on a Referee
Physical contact with game officials (or any threat of physical intimidation
or harm, including pushing, shoving, spitting, kicking, throwing at or
attempting to make physical contact) will not be tolerated. Any player(s),
coach or bench personnel committing assault on a referee shall be ejected
from the game and is required to sit out at least the following three games,
including postseason games. A player(s), coach or bench personnel involved
in a second assault on a referee in the same season shall be ejected from
the game and shall not compete for the remainder of the season, including
postseason games. Game suspensions for assault on a referee are in addition
to suspensions in order for card accumulations.

12.18 Accumulated Cautions and Game Suspensions
12.18.1 Regular-season games. Any player or coach(es) who has received
a total of five cautions in one season shall be suspended and shall not
participate in the next regularly scheduled game, including postseason
games. Each three additional cautions shall result in additional one-game
suspensions. If the total is reached in the final game of the season, the
player(s), coach(es) and/or bench personnel shall not participate in the
first scheduled game of the next season. Scrimmages and exhibition
matches, scheduled or unscheduled, do not qualify as games with
reference to players suspended for accumulated cautions. Moreover,
if the next regularly scheduled game is not played for any reason (and
is later declared a forfeited game), the forfeited game shall not satisfy
the game requirements for suspended players or coaches. If the total is
reached in the final postseason game of the season, the players shall
not compete in the first game of the next season. Suspended players or
coaches shall serve their game suspensions in an actual contest. Further,
a player(s) serving a game suspension(s) shall be restricted to the
designated spectator areas and prohibited from any communication or
contact, direct or indirect, with the team, coaches and/or bench personnel
from the start of the contest to its completion, including all overtime
periods and penalty-kick tiebreaker procedures. (see Rules 12.16 and
12.17) Any game in which a suspended player or coach participates
illegally shall be forfeited to the opposing team.




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Re: UP versus Texas

Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:27 pm

I wonder if it's possible that Desi signaled for the game clock to stop, or thought he did, and then had them rewind it when it kept running?


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Re: UP versus Texas

Post by DaTruRochin on Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:36 pm

Happens in the pros quite frequently, which of course gives the TV crews a chance to focus on the disgruntled manager every time a goal is scored or a mistake is made by his team...

Oh how I hope they are able to do that for the game...

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Re: UP versus Texas

Post by SoreKnees on Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:51 pm

As I posted in another thread, I also could not find any authority for Desi to stop the clock without issuing a caution for delay. The FIFA way is just sooo much better with the official time at the referee's discretion. That way, he can add on time and no one gets upset.

But I suspect that the NCAA decision-making process is dominated by football/basketball types to such an extent that a rule change for soccer is unlikely. I know that to be the case at the high-school level where the soccer people try to push the rules toward conformity with FIFA every year but get shot down. Believe it or not, a high-school soccer referee is suppose to make the hands-on-hips football offside signal for every offside infraction. Passive resistance by referees who don't want to look stupid means that you seldom see it, though.

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Re: UP versus Texas

Post by wrv on Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:56 pm

Our friend and former ND coach Petrucelli implies that no assualt occured, indeed he is not sure what happened . . .

http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/longhorns/11/15/1115texsoccer.html

Anyone witness a physical confrontation with the official signaling in substitutions?

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Re: UP versus Texas

Post by Geezaldinho on Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:57 pm

UPSoccerFanatic wrote:I wonder if it's possible that Desi signaled for the game clock to stop, or thought he did, and then had them rewind it when it kept running?

Somewhere in the bowels of the NCAA literature I recall a ruling on this issue I remember as being interesting. Of course, I can't find it. It specifically prohibited a ref from adding time at the end of regulation or overtime. I don't know if adding time in the middle of a game is consistent with that ruling or not....

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Re: UP versus Texas

Post by Geezaldinho on Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:59 pm

wrv wrote:Our friend and former ND coach Petrucelli implies that no assualt occured, indeed he is not sure what happened . . .

http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/longhorns/11/15/1115texsoccer.html

Anyone witness a physical confrontation with the official signaling in substitutions?

It was apparently after the end of the game that the jostling allegedly occured. It was related to me by a ref in the stands who saw it and related to me what happened. As it was related to me, it would fall in the assault clause. All you really have to do is touch the ref or attempt to and if he feels threatened....


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Re: UP versus Texas

Post by SoreKnees on Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:01 pm

I'm pretty sure that the resetting of the clock was because the timer did not stop it when he signaled for it to stop. He then reset it to what he thought was the time at which he gave the signal. The referee can correct time-keeper errors, but can't add on time in the manner of FIFA.

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Re: UP versus Texas

Post by onetouchfutbol on Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:03 pm

GUPhantom--

I'm guessing that Texas vs. WSU were two teams pretty evenly matched. It's harder to look good playing crisp, one touch, technical soccer if your opponent is almost as good as you are. Lucky for us, we tend to dominate the early rounds, and we don't run into that problem until the Final 4 on many years...

Good comments though. Peace.

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Re: UP versus Texas

Post by GUPhantom on Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:35 pm

Yes. Evenly matched and also same style of play. Its sorta like boxing...do you like Mike Tyson (WSU or UT) or Muhammad Ali (Pilots).... "float like a butterfly...sting like a bee" !!!! Twisted Evil

And like Ali....The Pilots are just "pretty" to watch...despite who the opponent is in most cases! Very Happy

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Re: UP versus Texas

Post by SoreKnees on Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:41 pm

I like to think of it as "float like a Reed; sting like a Rapinoe!"

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Re: UP versus Texas

Post by FANatic on Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:55 pm

Anyone have an idea if Texas will play with us or pack it in, and hope for that one breakaway goal? At least NAU had the guts to play us without any fear or intimidation that I noticed. Cool

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Re: UP versus Texas

Post by PurplePrideTrumpet on Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:04 pm

SoreKnees wrote:As I posted in another thread, I also could not find any authority for Desi to stop the clock without issuing a caution for delay. The FIFA way is just sooo much better with the official time at the referee's discretion. That way, he can add on time and no one gets upset.

But I suspect that the NCAA decision-making process is dominated by football/basketball types to such an extent that a rule change for soccer is unlikely. I know that to be the case at the high-school level where the soccer people try to push the rules toward conformity with FIFA every year but get shot down. Believe it or not, a high-school soccer referee is suppose to make the hands-on-hips football offside signal for every offside infraction. Passive resistance by referees who don't want to look stupid means that you seldom see it, though.
I was under the impression that the actual soccer rules committee was made up of soccer coaches, like the other sports (putting officials on these committees makes a little too much sense Rolling Eyes ).

Yes, I've heard of the signals NFHS (high school) wants in the name of "clarity." Sorry to hear that. It's not just soccer that NFHS has issues with; baseball umpires have complained about NFHS mechanics and rules for years. I have a feeling that sometimes NFHS wants to be different just to say they are different.

The rest of the world does fine with a clock that counts up and adding on time at the end (except for managers who start yelling and tapping their watch). I guess in American sports we just have to know to the exact second.

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Post by KFTC on Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:07 pm

The NCAA soccer rules committee is made of college coaches. Actually, I was just looking over the NCAA rules for this year and it state that the clock can count up or count down, but the preference is for counting down.

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Re: UP versus Texas

Post by Geezaldinho on Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:09 pm

I found this on the Texas site:


Big 12 Conference Reprimands Texas Coach Chris Petrucelli
Release: 10/16/2008
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Courtesy: Big12Sports.com

In accordance with the Big 12 Conference Principles and Standards of Sportsmanship, the Conference has publicly reprimanded University of Texas head soccer coach Chris Petrucelli.

Petrucelli was reprimanded for pursuing and then confronting game officials near midfield after the completion of the Texas at Nebraska match on October 3.

“Pursuing officials off the field or court to confront them will not be tolerated,” said Big 12 Commissioner Dan Beebe. “ I appreciate the cooperation of the University of Texas in processing this matter.”

In addition to the public reprimand, the conference has issued a warning to Petrucelli that any future acts may result in a more significant penalty, including suspension.


The box score showed no cautions or ejections for that game.

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Re: UP versus Texas

Post by Auto Pilot on Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:17 pm

I am telling you this guy is skating on thin ice with Texas. There are many great coaches around the county that would love a chance with Texas. They need someone who can do for Texas what Mark Krikorian has done for FSU.
On second thought just let them be.

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Post by SoreKnees on Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:20 pm

Does anyone know why he moved from ND to UT? Was he forced out? Seems like he had one of the best jobs in the country there.

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Re: UP versus Texas

Post by Geezaldinho on Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:20 pm

My understanding was money and facilities.

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Re: UP versus Texas

Post by aleppiek on Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:24 pm

I'm not sure I would agree that these teams were evenly matched at all... WSU looked totally out of sorts the entire game serving speculative at best long passes forward, while Texas was getting players free on the wing and sending balls through... I am actually suprised it was only 1-0 although I Will say I was not real impressed with Texas' play either.

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Re: UP versus Texas

Post by Geezaldinho on Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:30 pm

One of the big differences I saw is that while the Longhorns did get the ball down the wings, their entry passes were from about 20-25 yards from the end line. UP was sending passes into the box from the end line.

UP's way allowed more time to get players in the box, and the recipients of the passes didn't have to turn to shoot

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