2010 Recruit

UF got another commit today. They are going to have a roster of 37 next year. They are following the footsteps of Bear Bryant, getting as many recruits as possible, and while some could start at other schools, they will sit on the bench and waste away. But unlike the Bear Bryant days, where all the kids had scholarships, now we have restrictions, which makes it even more odd. I am guessing a lot of parents our paying for their kids to ride the pine. Well that felt great, I got my UF rant out of the way.

Well done, too.

I've always wondered what the point of large rosters was...

Geezaldinho wrote:Well done, too.

I've always wondered what the point of large rosters was...

More people forced to wear Nike gear?

UCLA shares a philospsoical world view with UF, in which young women soccer players, many with well earned accolades, and impressive skills, ride the pines, just in case the improbable happens and the starters and a fair number of substitutes are injured. Mind you, notwithstanding this poignant fate, the dedication of these young women is expected to be intense and unwavering.

I think we should ask the coaches of these respective institutions to justify their approaches and answer the simple question of whether idling at UF and/or UCLA in the numbers on their respective rosters is ultimately more exploitive than beneficial to these young women? I hope their friends and family suggest to them that a transfer may well give them an opportunity they might not otherwise enjoy.

It would indeed be interesting to see if these schools have a disproportionate number of trnasfers from their institutions. It seems every year there are two or three from UCLA. I note that there is nary a peep about this publicly other than an occassional thoughful note from a fan or two. There certainly seems to be no price to pay for the profligacy of these coaches.

Last time I checked UCLA had a roster of 38, but I haven't checked lately.

Good luck to FSU.

Go Pilots!

wrv,

the UCLA website lists 28 players. Of these, 26 have played at all this season.

6 have played 91 minutes or fewer. (One played 11 minutes)

Sidney LeRoux, who has 1184 minutes, is lost to National team Duty.

So they really are playing with 19 players or so.

Well, when I checked, it was a year ago, maybe two and I can assure you when I counted, there were 38 players--so if things have changed, well then never mind, but my count was accurate when I checked.

I still think UCLA has a disproportionate number of transfers, but I confess I have not checked that lately either.

It something to do with coach philosophy. Coach Ellis recruits them all promises the world. Then when it is time to play she just lets them go at each other at practice like gladiators. Those who emerge as the 11 best individuals start. Team chemistry is often less than a friendly comraderie. And if you don't make the starting 11 as a freshman don't think you will automatically play as a junior or senior. They will recruit right over your position.

Some players thrive in this environment. Others are discouraged and become rusty and self-conscious when they do get a shot.

Geezer, even 29(my count) seems high though better than 38.

Your logic here, btw, is strained--according to you the players with insufficient minutes don't count as players. The website disagrees: it lists them on the flipping team, don't you know. There are really 29, not 19--the loss to the national team is recent. The whole point of the post is about players lost in the shuffle, without a real opportunity to get on the pitch--while we can debate the philosophy till game time tonight, one can recruit in sufficient numbers that it takes on exploitive qualities.

wrv wrote:Geezer, even 29(my count) seems high though better than 38.

Your logic here, btw, is strained--according to you the players with insufficient minutes don't count as players. The website disagrees: it lists them on the flipping team, don't you know. There are really 29, not 19--the loss to the national team is recent. The whole point of the post is about players lost in the shuffle, without a real opportunity to get on the pitch--while we can debate the philosophy till game time tonight, one can recruit in sufficient numbers that it takes on exploitive qualities.

Count again, don't just see that there are numbers to 29 (there is no #9).

But that's a minor point. I tried to show that your original claim of 38 was way off the mark, and I think there the point is made.

As to the difference between 28 and the 19 that are actually making the contribution in minutes, I submit that it's up to you to show that the reason is padding the roster. You haven't demonstrated that the reasons aren't grades, injuries or redshirt attempts. You also haven't shown that those players aren't there primarily as practice players without scholarships, and aren't perfectly happy in those rolls.

While UCLA has taken on players and then recruited over them after a year, you might show evidence that this is happening now. A look at the turnover from last year might help your cause - or it might not.

There is also no number 9 or 27. Odd that 9 hasn't been taken its a star striker no. I think what adds to the confusion on the size of the roster is the different way UCLA treats a home game roster to a traveling roster. While at home they have all their players available though im not sure how many are allowed to suit up at one time.

I know when they travel about a third of the team gets left home. Total opposite of what the Pilots do. I guarantee Rachel R would not be a part of the team in her situation at UCLA. I think this people first approach is one of the reasons we all are proud of the program. Unlike the Mosh Pit in Westwood.

According to topdrawersocccer.com Sydney and Shelby Payne have committed to Stanford for the 2010 class. As far as I was aware, they are sophomores which makes them 2011, so I will assume they are graduating early. Either way big, big pickup, as both are super fast and one sister, forget which one, almost made the U-17s as a fifteen year old. They are originally from Colorado, moved to FLA 2 years ago, so I am not surprised they decided to head back west for college. Although I will be the first to tell you I was hoping them living in Florida would have given FSU a decent shot, oh well, could be worse, they could have gone to Carolina

FSUfan wrote:According to topdrawersocccer.com Sydney and Shelby Payne have committed to Stanford for the 2010 class. As far as I was aware, they are sophomores which makes them 2011, so I will assume they are graduating early. Either way big, big pickup, as both are super fast and one sister, forget which one, almost made the U-17s as a fifteen year old. They are originally from Colorado, moved to FLA 2 years ago, so I am not surprised they decided to head back west for college. Although I will be the first to tell you I was hoping them living in Florida would have given FSU a decent shot, oh well, could be worse, they could have gone to Carolina

Thanks for the heads up on the Payne's. I just gotta love twins. Remind you of any? Glad they are headed west. They just missed the right spot by about 400 miles too far south. Am glad they aren't adding to UNC crazy train.

To pick up again on the original topic of UP recruiting top keepers: Bill Irwin's name needs to be mentioned here. For the school's top soccer guy to be a former keeper and current women's U-23 coach, well, those feathers in his Pilots cap would be hard for other schools to match. Smart keepers who want to learn and get better know what to look for in a coaching staff.

No doubt, PH. Bill Irwin is having a huge effect on our recruiting these days.

Certainly recruiting Hailee would have seen Bill's name come up at important times. And now with the two high profile GK's recruited for 2010, it shows his presence even more.

His work as head coach of the US U23's also gives us a strong leg up on luring quality field players.

Portland is slowly starting to creep up on the "usual suspects" by bringing in more really big time recruits to the program, while at the same time luring some of the state of Oregon's top players. Staying up with the "Jones's" talent-wise is critical, of course. (Just look at the final four the last few years and you'll see some very familiar programs.)

Add the improving quality and quantity of the Pilots to the special program firmly in place, and I know we all can see multiple titles down the road. As the play-offs always show, however, and Notre Dame learned again this December, no matter how well your ducks are lined up, you still have to win six straight play-off matches to be champion. And the farther you go, usually, the harder it gets!

FANatic wrote:No doubt, PH. Bill Irwin is having a huge effect on our recruiting these days.

And now with the two high profile GK's recruited for 2010, it shows his presence even more.

His work as head coach of the US U23's also gives us a strong leg up on luring quality field players.

Actually getting recruits at the U-23 level is a little late as the players are mostly juniors and seniors by that time. However, I agree that any college program with national team ties is a huge plus for recruiting young woment with national team aspirations.