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Post by Geezaldinho on Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:06 pm

TopDrawerSoccer just updated his poll to give UP the #3 slot in his ranking.

09-09-2008 poll


TopDrawer's poll is a bit different. He ranks the 64 teams he thinks will be in the tournament, taking into account automatic conference bids and all that.
A #3 ranking means he thinks we'll be a #1 seed come tournament time. He's starting to think like us -and that's a good thing.

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Re: TopDrawer is on board the bandwagon

Post by FANatic on Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:58 am

Nice to see the big P logo at #3.

Won't mean much, of course, if we don't keep winning. But it's nice to get the national recognition after such an eye-popping weekend! affraid

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Re: TopDrawer is on board the bandwagon

Post by aleppiek on Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:09 am

Nice to see us jump a few spots in all the polls, and really nice to see us above USC where we should be.

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Topdrawer is still on board

Post by Geezaldinho on Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:13 am

TopDrawerSoccer held steady with Portland, Keeping us at #3.

Every one else is jumping around though. Notre Dame jumps to the #1 spot leapfrogging several teams and the other teams get bumped.
Topdrawer has the current tourney seeding at

Notre Dame
UCLA
Portland
North Carolina
USC
Stanford
FSU
Texas
Duke
Virginia

TopDrawer top 64

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Florida

Post by Harry Redknapp on Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:37 pm

Florida beat Florida State. State is top 10 and Florida only 14. Dubious?

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Re: TopDrawer is on board the bandwagon

Post by Geezaldinho on Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:55 pm

Well, even the Florida site admitted it was keeper genius that won them that match.
http://www.gatorzone.com/story.php?id=14417

As topDrawer explained it last year, He's looking to rank the tournament seeds.


I just think that you want to go by more than a weekend or a match
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But I agree that he tends to give his favorites the benefit of the doubt.

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Re: TopDrawer is on board the bandwagon

Post by purple haze on Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:47 pm

The TopDrawer rankings show only the Pilots representing the Pacific NW in the top 32. California is a soccer empire unto itself with 6 of the top 32. I recall opinions expressed here in the past that the Pilots need a boost from other strong NW teams to help gain early home playoff games due to the vagaries of teh NCAA playoff travel guidelines. Does the absence of Washington, Oregon and Idaho teams among the playoff hopefuls affect UP at all?

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Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:00 pm

purple haze wrote:Does the absence of Washington, Oregon and Idaho teams among the playoff hopefuls affect UP at all?

Except for the four #1 seeds in the NCAA Tournament, all other seeds are subject to an NCAA rule that they get home games for rounds 1 and 2 unless their having home games would mean that three other teams have to fly to the seeded team's site. If three other teams would have to fly, then rather than doing that the NCAA will find a site to which only two teams have to fly and will require the seeded team to fly there. Last year, this meant the Pilots had to fly to Colorado for rounds 1 and 2, even though they were one of the four #2 seeds. In previous years, some West Coast teams, based on this rule, have had to fly as far as the East Coast for rounds 1 and 2.

The four #1 seeds, however, get home games under any circumstance, assuming they can provide an acceptable field which the Pilots can. This is why the Pilots are absolutely determined to do everything they can to get one of the four #1 seeds. It will guarantee home field for all rounds all the way through the quarter-finals. Otherwise, they will be dependent on an Oregon or Washington team qualifying for the tournament in order to have rounds 1 and 2 at home. (The Idaho teams all are too far from Portland to provide any help.) Further, due to a new NCAA rule, Gonzaga will not count as one of those teams since the new rule provides that two teams from the same conference cannot face each other in either round 1 or round 2 of the Tournament. And also further, it isn't clear to me that Washington State is within the "don't have to fly" limits, so even if WSU makes the tournament, it isn't clear this would guarantee rounds 1 and 2 here.

Bottom line: The Pilots are determined to control their own destiny and gain one of the four #1 seeds. It makes this Friday's game against Florida extra important.

GO PILOTS!

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Post by Geezaldinho on Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:07 pm

I'm pretty sure the flying issue was resolved with WSU because they would fly out of Spokane airport. The 350 mile rule applies to the location of the airports, not necessarily the schools themselves.

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Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:21 pm

I can't remember which on line mapping system they use, but last year I tried to find out the distance from PDX to the Spokane airport and as I recall, it was a very close call as to whether the two were within the 350 mile distance. My recollection was they were about a mile too far apart.

Here it is: the NCAA uses mappoint.msn.com. I'll see if I can figure out what it says the mileage is.

On further research: according to mappoint, the airport-to-airport distance is 340.8 miles. Just makes it under the 350 mile "fly" distance, so if WSU or UW or OSU or UO makes it into the tournament, that would solve the travel rule problem. Chances of their making it? Let's just say that the Pilots need to get a #1 seed and not leave it up to other teams.

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Travel is easy to calculate

Post by Geezaldinho on Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:27 am

The NCAA actually accepts results from their online TES milage calculator , so you can check any two schools.
If you use the calculator for Spokane (GEG) to PDX, it returns 345 miles

The key though, it that you need to find the airport closest (or cheapest within 120 miles) to the school that offers flights. Idaho is a good example. The calculator returns 357 miles between Idaho and UP.

But - if Idaho flies out of Spokane, also, it would still qualify as long as it is within 120 miles of the airport. (It is, the calculator returns 84 miles for that distance)
Even if it flies out of Pulman regional airport (PUW) the calculator returns 346 miles.

In the case of Washington State, it qualifies just figuring the distance between the two schools, which the TES calculator calculates as exactly 350 miles.
Gonzaga comes out at 354 miles between schools, but 346 between airports. That's moot, however, because of the same conference rule.

Eastern Washington and PSU also qualify as within range, of course.

Here's the travel policy excerpt:

TRANSPORTATION POLICIES

1. Teams located within 350 ground miles of the competition site are required to travel via
ground transportation. For Division I menís and womenís basketball, teams located within
300 ground miles of the competition site are required to travel via ground transportation.
Mileage will now be calculated using the NCAAís reimbursement system. That system can
be accessed by members through the NCAAís Web site. The URL for the Web site is
http://www1.ncaa.org/finance/travel/index.html . This is the same page where all travel pol-
icies and quick reference guides are located. On that page, click the link for the Travel Ex-
pense System. On that page, click Mileage Calculator.

2. If an institution is eligible to use air transportation to the site of the championship, and there
is a major airport located within 120 miles of the championship site, then the participating
institution is required to fly into/out of that airport and utilize ground transport to and from
Division I Travel Policies
Page No. 3
__________

the site of competition. This also applies if the originating airport is located within 120
miles of the participating institutionís campus. This policy only applies when airfare is less
expensive from the more distant airport.

If an institution is eligible to use air transportation, they may choose to drive to the site of
competition due to difficulties in arranging air travel. Should this occur, the institution will
be reimbursed the lesser of what airfare would have cost, or the eligible ground transporta-
tion. For team sports, eligible ground transportation is the amount allocated for teams that
must drive to the site of competition (see Appendix for allocations by sport). For individu-
al-team sports, eligible ground transportation is mileage per person.

3. Local transportation must be paid by the institution. Transportation between the teamís ho-
tel and the competition or practice site is considered local transportation. If a competition
site is located outside the metropolitan area of an airport (more than 50 round-trip miles)
reimbursement may be claimed, per paragraph 4. If the competition site is within 50 round-
trip miles, any transportation costs are the responsibility of the institution. In addition, host
institutions or institutions within 25 miles of the site are not eligible for ground transporta-
tion reimbursement.

4. When institutions are required to travel by ground transportation to the site of competition,
the institution may choose any mode of transportation it desires. The NCAA will reimburse
the institution a flat rate, plus a mileage allotment, for team sports (see Appendix for
ground transportation allocations by sport). For individual-team sports, mileage per person
will be reimbursed.

When institutions fly to the site of competition, they may also be eligible for reimbursement
for ground transportation from their campus to the airport or from the airport to the site of
competition. If either of these segments are more than 25 miles one way, reimbursement
may be claimed. The same flat rate and mileage allotment will apply to each round trip, for
team sports. The same mileage rate per person will apply for individual-team sports.

5. For individual-team sports, when teams are required to travel by ground transportation to
the site of competition or are eligible for reimbursement at the site, reimbursement will be
provided at a rate of 43 cents per mile, per participant, not the actual cost of ground trans-
portation

6. For championships conducted during an institutionís vacation period or after the regular
academic year, the travel guarantee applies to the roundtrip cost of a student-athleteís ex-
penses from either their home or campus directly to the championship site. Student-
athleteís who wish to deviate from this will be required to pay any additional costs to do so.
The round trip rate used to determine additional costs will be based on where the student-
athlete begins their trip (i.e. home or campus).

The institution is responsible for any additional expense incurred if a non-athlete who is a
member of the official traveling party does not travel from campus to the site of competition
Division I Travel Policies
Page No. 4
__________

and back to campus after the championship. The NCAA travel guarantee would apply only
to the cost of roundtrip transportation from campus to the site of competition if the non-
athlete does not travel from or return to campus.

7. Charter options will be pursued by Shortís only if reasonable commercial options are not
available. All charter flights for a teamís participation in an NCAA championship must be
arranged through Shortís. If an institution desires an unusually high seating capacity or it
appears that a charter will not be economical, Shortís will advise the institution of the op-
tions available within the required guidelines. For all championships, the NCAA will pay
the prorated cost for the official traveling party based on the charterís total cost and the
number of seats available on the aircraft, but not to exceed the regular coach fare. The insti-
tution must pay for additional passengers above the official traveling party size. The
NCAA has final approval of any charter that is part of the NCAA travel guarantee. Please
note charter service to championships is limited. Institutions should be prepared to adjust
departure and return time, to book commercial reservations, or to split the traveling party.

8. Flight options, both commercial and charter, are limited due to the quick turn around time
of championship travel and the seasonality of NCAA championships. Institutions that fly
should be prepared to have connecting flights, split their travel party and depart early in the
morning or late in the evening. The NCAA national office travel staff is responsible for
making the determination of what should be considered reasonable options for the official
traveling party.

http://www1.ncaa.org/finance/travel/d1_policies.pdf

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Post by UPSoccerFanatic on Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:49 am

Great research work, Geez. The more teams that might be able to make it into the tournament, the better.

I'm wondering how you are able to take the excerpt from the NCAA publication and insert it into the page. I haven't figured that out yet. If I can do that, I might be able to enter the RPI reports directly into a post, using the same process.

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Post by Geezaldinho on Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:30 pm

UPSoccerFanatic wrote:Great research work, Geez. The more teams that might be able to make it into the tournament, the better.

I'm wondering how you are able to take the excerpt from the NCAA publication and insert it into the page. I haven't figured that out yet. If I can do that, I might be able to enter the RPI reports directly into a post, using the same process.

I just cut and paste. When pasting, I use the quote button to get the [ quote] [/quote ] bbcode in the edit window, then paste between them.

There's probably some size limit to posts. That's why the "Clive" Interview was done in sections when it was sent to me by PM.

I'll look into finding a place on the web to store attachments that can be linked to. Also, I notice the PDF is pictures. Is that on purpose?

I can take Excel files and turn them into text PDF's with my Mac if you want. That makes it easier to search on teams.

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Post by purple haze on Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:59 am

Thanks, Geez and UPSoccerFanatic. You are the Enyeart and Foxhoven of NCAA playoff minutiae, a 1-2 punch. If Spokane's airport is too far from PDX, then one of the two will just have to extend its runway.

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Post by FANatic on Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:27 pm

TopDrawer has us at #3 with a 7-1 record. But there is no date on the page. How can you publish a poll with no date?

(I know, it's getting late and I'm getting a bit tired...) Mad

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400 MILE RULE

Post by Geezaldinho on Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:27 pm

I checked to see what effect the new 400 mile rule would have on what schools were eligible to be added to UP's list of hosting partners. Here's what I came up with using the NCAA TES calculator,which the NCAA states can be used for travel calculations.

https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles

Oregon: no change- the schools are
U of O
OSU
PSU

Washington
Eastern Washington 340 miles - no change

Gonzaga 351 miles I think they would have been included anyway because of the airport rule, but they are in conference, and the non conference rule is still in effect pending membership approval. so - no change. They aren't making the tournament this year anyway.

UW 176 miles - no change

WSU 350 miles -no change

Idaho

Boise State 436 miles - still too far -

Idaho State 669 miles - way too far

U of Idaho - 395 miles Added They may have made it under airport rules anyway, since they fly out of Spokane.
But they are 1-11-2 this year, so they won't be joining us.

California

None - the closest is Pacific - 632 miles

Nevada

None - the closest is Nevada Reno - 586 miles

Montana, Utah, and the rest of the world

May as well be Middle Earth.

So, while the 400 mile rule may benefit some Eastern schools, it doesn't really do anything for us in the NW. It will do nothing to ease the NCAA concerns about the travel budgets in this part of the world, either.

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