Re: USC game

by aleppiek on Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:50 am

Yeah, I agree with Stoney, Burk's shot in my opinion started a "new play"

by PurpleGeezer on Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:08 pm

aleppiek wrote:Yeah, I agree with Stoney, Burk's shot in my opinion started a "new play"

Not according to the rulebook on how it's scored.

10.5 Assists
An assist is awarded for a pass leading directly to a goal. Not more than two
assists may be credited on any one scoring play. Players receiving assists are
credited with one point for statistical purposes.
10.5.1 If a scoring play consists of two consecutive passes without a defender
gaining control of the ball, two assists may be awarded, provided the second
player does not have to elude a defender to make the final pass. Both passes
must have a direct influence on the outcome of a goal scored. If the second
player needs to elude a defender before passing to the goal-scorer, credit only
that assist.
10.5.2 No assist is awarded when a player gains control from the defensive team
and scores.
10.5.3 No assist is awarded on a penalty-kick goal.
10.5.4 A corner kick, throw-in or free kick leading to a goal each counts as a pass
in awarding assists.
10.5.5 A player cannot receive credit for an assist on a goal that the player also
scores.
10.5.6 If an attacking player’s shot hits a post or crossbar and bounces back into the
field of play and, before a defender can touch the ball, another attacker shoots
the ball into the goal, credit the player whose shot hit the post or crossbar with
an assist.
10.5.7 If an attacking player shoots and the goalkeeper or defender blocks the
shot but cannot control the ball, and a second attacking player immediately
knocks the rebound in for a goal, credit the player who took the first shot with
an assist.
Note: Rule 10.5 is an administrative rule and may be altered by prior written
mutual consent.

So- if Charney's shot hit the post, went to Sophie, and she put it in, there is no option BUT to give Charney an assist. It says "credit", not "may credit" .
Charney's is definitely an assist, whether it hit the post or another defender, or the keeper.

I defer to KFTC's abuse rule on Ellie's. :D

by **Stonehouse** on Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:22 pm

Oh yeah... Charney's shot definitely is an assist. No debate on that. What I think aleppiek meant was that Charney's shot wiped away Elli's ability to get an assist awarded on the play.

by PurpleGeezer on Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:28 pm

Yeah, that seems clear from 10.5.6 and 10.5.7

Charney's shot wiped out the consecutive pass thing in 10.5.1

by aleppiek on Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:13 pm

Stoney, thanks for the clarification... Indeed that is what I meant the shot by Charney off the post broke the string needed to credit Ellie with the assist regardless how much she deserved it.

by Auto Pilot on Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:35 pm

I am not convinced that Charney's shot must be ruled a shot I think the most important fact here is whether she had to evade a defender before she passed/shot the ball into the post. She might just be a good pool player and used the far post to get it to Sophie.

Of course the above argument is a little ridiculous because we assume she was intending to shoot not pass. However, I do not see any language about intent. Hence the official rules leave this open to potential interpretation and potential abuse by those who would seek to inflate player performance/points with undeserved assists.

Also consider whether Charney was eluding the goalkeeper when her shot/pass was made which I think she was as the keeper was diving toward her and the near post as she shot which may have forced her to shoot/pass wide into the post. In this case 10.5.1 controls and only Charney is eligble for the assist and not Ellie.